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And when I was talking about CV bashers wanting to nerf CVs into oblivion was I quoting any of you two any of that time? NO. Look at the all known CV hate spammers like 22cm or specialkha, those are the kind of players I am talking about, you just always rush up to their help and taking answers meant for them like they belong to yourself.Yet I never saw you walking in the thread, where those CV bashers ran up on the Ectar like squad of angry monkeys and were completely nuts while he was still being polite on them. Where were you two, with your arguments, of biasing and attacking people, and turning around what they wrote, when he was under those same attacks from CV bashers? But I know ppl with same biased opinions tend to stick together no matter what. Yup exactly what I am talking about, completely twisting other's side arguments. Please quote me on, where did I said, that ONLY CVs take skill?

How come that these valuable gems of yours gets lost and trashed and those stupid "OMG CV OP nerf it instantly" threads having completely 0 information value and repeating themselves again and again with same arguments are always hot topics.... Ok then well I am glad I am on the same wave as developers are.

Yeah, well these are my advices what I would tweak right now regarding DD vs CV balance: (based on playing mainly CVs and sometimes getting owned by CV in a DD) 1) Something like 0.5km-1km decrease of DDs spotting range from air. 2) Turn off perma spot for torpedoes 3) Maybe nerf spotting range of torps from air by like 20% 4) Prolong activation of torps from IJN CVs by 50m-100m (to give DD more space to maneuver when getting raided by torp bombers). USN CVs are somewhat fine as they already have longer activation range and even slower torps.

I played DDs to tier 9 in CBT but before you bash me that they were severely nerfed in OBT let me put it this way. I know that in CBT they had longer smoke but we are talking about their torpedo potential (which did not changed at all) and at the time I was playing them, the spotting range of torps from planes was actually maybe two times bigger (dunno how much it got nerfed) than it is right now and I was actually the one complaining about that at that time. But as I said they already nerfed that, although there is still maybe some space for some tweaks like reduce the spotting range even more OR make unspotted torpedoes disappear again like ships, cause right now what I observed is that once torps are spotted, they never go unspotted again and this is maybe too rough I think. But I would never consider removing spotting of torps from planes completely as a good idea. No I did not mean that the carrier would literally put his fighters on top of his teammate DD, that's just silly, but he will use those fighters to make some breathing space for his DDs by attacking enemy fighters and bombers. In the current metagame I just don't see a viable chance for enemy bomber carrier to have some impact on the game as full blobed fleet of tier 10 ships will just melt bombers way before they will drop some torps. And you can count on that enemy team will have enough CAs to circle the AA panic ability nonstop for the entire game.

No it is not about that. CVs in CWs will (at least in current meta) have only one purpose. Air superiority. And air superiority is now key element mainly cause of spotting enemy destroyers AND their torps. CWs will be mainly about blobed fleets, and that's where the power of Shimakaze and its 15 torps each giving 20k dmg would be the most devastating. Spotting only the DD is not enough as you have to count that the DD will itself have a carrier with fighters guarding space above it.

He doesn't mean that it's not happening, but that it shouldn't. Well I cannot agree, because then what would be the purpose of CVs in CWs?

Statistics from warshipstats.com are meaningless to me right now, as the number of players there is not statistically relevant. Just look at the average winrate of whole EU server. It's 51% , how can whole server have average 51% win rate? Well the answer is that it cannot, thus those 5k players on warshipstats are mainly good and better players. And as we already know CV as class is the most skill dependant in the game, you own with it or suck with it way more than with other classes. Until warshipstats will have statistics of ALL players on server I am not considering those relevant. I am not telling those stats are not speaking the truth that CVs overperform, but I bet that it is not that hardcore as they show it is. Other thing is, top tier CVs are mainly occupied with dedicated and pro CBT, CAT players, there are really few average joes having tier 10 CVs and I bet no one tried to find average joe on warshipstats.com thus his statistics are not counted for. And my opinion was never that CVs are completely fine, but I cannot and will never agree with someone who has minimal experience with playing CVs and would rather see them nerfed into oblivion.

Who cares about some meaningless survival rate? Who tracks that statistic? I have over 100k credits service cost on my Hakuryu even if I don't have a scratch on me that battle. And surviving does not automatically mean draw as enemy team can (and should have) cap, or on domination even 1 point difference makes winning and loosing side. So why are you pointing out stat, which does not make any difference and is completely irrelevant....

And draw still means a lost game to that carrier, the only difference of draw vs lost, is on statistics page. So nop. Again another fail from you.... And regarding draws, tell me, who is more able to make a draw. 7km detectable Shimakaze or 18.4km detectable Midway?

I hope he did not, just on my way to Midway and loving the Essex so far.

You serious? I was quoting TheJezna on his "argument" that and being a joke against group of same tier ships means = 0 or really negligible damage and loosing all planes in that attack. And high tier CVs are only able to loose all planes in max 3-4 attacks, then they are out.

It is completely irrelevant how rare or not are 3 players divisions, thing is it exists and I do not see a single reason why they together should be immune to strikes from one ship class and not the others. And for the record who was talking about 3 CAs? 2 BBs and one CA is much more stronger combo regarding AA. Planes dying = return fire. Planes dying before dropping payload = 0 dmg. Planes dying x times in a battle so that the carrier is without reserves = dead carrier, not able to do anything only get sunk. So basically plane reserves = carrier HPs I have been on this argument so many times that I am quite sick of it repeating that. It's so simple to understand yet some just don't want to.

So you're basically saying that every division of 3 friends should be completely immune to carrier air strike (like if it is almost not this way already)? Tell me from when group of three ships is immune to citadel hits from enemy BB, CAs or from torps from DDs? They are not and never will be.

I do not see problem with this as 2 minutes are not enough for carrier to actually get planes back, rearm and get them to target again. More so if there are more than one CA close by, then they can activate those abilities one by one, so when one has it on CD the second one activates it and so on so forth.

Role of the cruisers is actually not to shoot down planes (although USN ones are good in that) but to mainly provide that panic ability. Which reduces damage potential of the carrier strike group by half. Its the ability of life and death for a BB facing Essex/Midway high tier bombers.

There will be PT3? Or is it already?

Will you pay extension of my premium time as I will not be able to play and grind my favorite ships? No. That's just pathetic... I seriously hope that after more than 5 minutes of waiting time, MM will discard the mirror rule, else it is nothing less than sanctioning dedicated players for their bigger investment in play time than that of the rest.

Ovlivňuje to také modul v druhém slotu. Nepřítel mohl mít o 20% víc HP stíhačů a pokud navíc při něm stálo RNG, tak výsledek mohl být takový jaký si viděl.

That does not prove anything. It could have been simply because of not enough players in the queue as whole, not only CVs.

You sure about that? You sure that after 5 minutes of wait time MM will not discard this rule of mirroring CVs and will not try to put those players in the battle asap?

Proti CA,BB a CV vždy manual, proti DD jak kdy. Pokud vyloženě jde do tuhého, tzn DDčko mě nahání, nebo mám dostatek času, tak manuálně dropuju i na DDčko, je to celkem tricky ale dá se to, důležité je nepřestat držet alt a neustále upravovat shoz dle toho jak manévruje.

Tier 9 and 10 USN CVs will not be nerfed as they won't overperform after the new MM changes in 0.4.1. As encountering enemy high tier IJN CV with 2,3 or even 4 fighter groups will quite hinder your performance. But again that is the kind of thing you have no clue about, cause you did not play a high tier carrier game. Whereas me in the end of CBT I got to Iowa,Ibuki,DM,Fletcher so I know what high tier battles with other ships than CVs look like (end of CBT is the same regarding balance as OBT now). And I am also divisioning with my Montana friend and I see him performing really really well, having almost no issues with enemy carriers as I am able to quite hinder them in my own CV.

Yes I am apologising CVs as a class, not IJN CVs who are already getting nerfed. You all on the other hand are only bashing Ectar cause of IJN CVs and their strike deck, which is getting already removed. I don't have any problems achieving same WR with other classes as with USN CVs, so please. Everytime there is some flamy argument war going on, there is one and simple reason behind it. Lack of knowledge and lack of point of view from all sides of the issue. So I am sorry but I will never acknowledge that someone who does not have experience with something, can have relevant arguments against it. He can have arguments, thats ok, but they will not be relevant, as having lack of knowledge of the other side of the problem is making him and his opinions biased. Simple as that.And me pointing on these guys stats was more of a reaction on their so called "argument" which I quoted. Just to show them how silly they look.

This thread is getting more and more ridiculous with each new CV hater coming in. Page before I read something about "I don't know of any player having worse stats on CVs than on his other ships". Well then have look on our CV/Ectar bashing group of friends: 1) TheJezna - 47% WR with CVs, 55% with CAs, 59% with DDs 2) Kamuka - 60% WR on ALL classes including CVs 3) Galadul - 0 carrier battles 4) Crysantos - he's the most funny one, bashing Ectar for CV OPness and then sealclubing with only tier 4-7 IJN OP CVs which are already getting nerfed. And also playing in a low tier sealclub division, cause having 79% winrate on that Hosho is just way too much for his average dmg. 5) Vincinzerei - 48% WR with CVs, 57% with CAs, 55% with DDs 6) Avenger121 - 0 carrier battles 7) Specialkha - 1 carrier battle So to sum it up guys the only thing I see is bunch of jellies being just way too jelly that some other players are able to excel with carriers when you are simply not able to. Calling for CV nerfs because if they themselves cannot perform good with them, then no one should. Well I am glad that devs are not that silly as these guys are and that they are balancing carriers step by step slowly and steadily and are not taking advices from ppl who either did not play a single CV game, or are just bad with them.

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