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Concealment Expert is a tier 4 captain skill, it works as advertised (10% ship/plane detection reduction) the moment you unlock it. If captain undergoes retraining for new ship, it will work at half strength. Other bit is Concealment System Mod 1 upgrade, available on tier 8+ (with three exceptions, Arkansas Beta, Belfast and Z-39) ships. And is the reason why T7 DDs are in hard spot, simply because almost universally tier higher not only have more dakka, more hp and/or better torps, but also better concealment, which alone is critical advantage. With select few exceptions you stack all the available concealment bonuses on your ships, simply because not being seen and thus shot at is inherently overpowered

Still double check your math, as Impla drops 2x8, while Acoustic drops 3x6 with firecrackers having tad more damage as well. What is memeworthy is +9s to replacement timer on all planes when "upgrading"

Nah, it needs to contain siema letters like ą, ę, ł, ś, ć, ż, ź, ó for extra memes when trying to pronounce. Implantable does have 32mm HE pen on her firecrackers, unless you mean improved dispersion, so you can actually hit something smaller than moon or simply more of them?

This is part where you build time machine, go back into 1930s and b!tchslap brits into proper naming convention

Umm, Indentable is supposedly premium, TBless CV. Implantable is "silver" Tea Carrier. And extra useless as usual.

Dunno, I haven't got lolicon prime Dank Royal... nor any "free" ship for that matter in this year trying to do "flooding directive" with CV can be summed as "what flooding". Also planes still behave... speschully when connection is not exactly stable

baBBies have flak to begin with

Extra phun when flying around in Hosho and deliberately catching flak out of mercy and planes still can't ded. Heck, even Kuma, the best "AA" cruiser at tier 4 due to presence of Catapult Fighter can kill 8 planes at best (DCfF, SI, prem catapult) And entire CV gameplay is repetitive asf

That much I know. Still its a PITA shortening Haku or "new" Shokek TB squads

Attack yes, but whether throwing planes into megablob is sustainable long term is another matter

inb4 WSAD hax not included for other carriers

And they did just that with 0.8.7. Except downwards, so shitty AA is still shitty, while AA powerhouse became shitty

Spreadshiet showing premium CV sales says its a success If sorting carriers was true goal, they wouldn't declare premium carriers to be "done" as early as 0.8.2 and pushed for sale shortly afterwards.

Target was to monetize again on frozen assets in shape of premium carriers

USN line is definitely worth due to, well, Fletcher but also it teaches you to rely on the guns - you can't stealth torp until tier 7, so you get acquainted with guns to get the job done when contesting caps. From tier 7 you gain option to launch torps unspotted, which is handy, but not necessarily game winning. Not as bruising your way through enemy DDs and capturing bases. From tier 6 torpedo oriented DDs, both Fubuki and Harugumo are decent, if lacking in gunnery department for self defense or fighting other DDs. They make up for that with great concealment though. Gaede have again questionable gunnery due to long reload on her 15cm guns, torps are perfectly serviceable even if soft hitting. She significantly lacks concealment, in return have 3rd highest amount of hp after french Guepard and premium Aigle. Fushun, Pan Asian DD is literally russian DD of Gnevny class in Chinese service, thus she combines their hallmark 130mm ballistics with more than serviceable 8km Deep Water torpedoes, though of average damage and only 6 fishes total. She also for some reason have one of the best concealment at that tier, making her one of the best "hybrids"... once you sort out turret traverse with Expert Marksman skill. From tier 6 premiums -mentioned French Aigle, one of the highest potential gun dpm at tier 6 combined with hard hitting, though slow torpedoes. Guns are hampered by atrocious turret traverse, abysmal firing arcs and slow shell velocity, making long range gunnery... tad futile at times. Can be bought for Coal from the Armory, she is also the only FR DD with smoke. -British Gallant. Almost identical to silver Icarus, although have longer ranged torps. She also lacks "British" short lasting smoke as well trades their Hydroacoustic search for Engine Boost. Overall unremarkable but workable boat -American Monaghan. She have two hull options, one with 4 guns and access to short ranged torpedoes only, making her basically Farragut trading one gun for more hp. Second replaces two rear turrets with AA, but more importantly, she can mount Benson torpedoes, having quite high damage and range by tier 6 standards, but they are SLOW. And you throw 10 of them -Pan Asian Anshan, sister ship to Fushun and Russian Gnevny. She trades Pan Asian hallmark smoke for regular one and replaces DeepWater torps with regular ones, so she can torp destroyers just fine. -T-61 German DD. Good concealment, same torps as Gaede but somehow with significantly better reload. Guns also reload faster than Gaede 12.8cm equivalents, making her straight up better than silver ship. Doesn't have as much hp though. -IJN Shinonome, reward ship for completing Honorable Service campaign. You can't obtain her without having at least tier 8 ship, preferably tier 10 (and multiple ones at that). She is basically Fubuki, as she is Fubuki class, but with three gun turrets running stock torpedoes with range extended to 8km. Okay ship, but not really thrilling IMO.

While it is not wrong assumption to play cruiser instead gun oriented DD, keep in mind quite a number of destroyers, often called "hybrids" like USN, UK or to lesser extent German ones carry enough gunpower to mop up IJN "torpedo boats", without sacrificing torpedoes or concealment. Only "all out gunboats" like Russian or hightier French indeed sacrifice concealment, putting them at severe disadvantage when forced into contesting caps against sneakier opponents. On other hand, these gunboats, when assisting "DD proper" at cap can deliver plenty of hurt. And unlike cruisers, they can disengage at will with 45kts+ top speed on top of not having citadel. Ironically, despite IJN being branded as "torpedo boats", received nerfs to torpedo detection back in the day. You can check torpedo detection and speeds yourself in game when you expand "torpedoes" tab. or use 3rd party site, which also calculates reaction time https://wowsft.com/ You haven't specified tiers USS Fletcher, because she combines one of the best torpedoes in game (hard hitting, quite fast, decent concealment, absurdly quick reload) with one of the highest gun DPMs, decent ship concealment, reasonable AA, great handling. Basically do-it-all except long range shelling kind of a DD. IJN Shimakaze - fast and quite stealthy ship packing decent gunnery even with modest skill investment, while you can't argue with option of launching 15 torpedoes at once. 20km torps are arguably the worst, 8km "F3" are very fast and lethal, but you will be treading very fine line when using them. Middle ground being 12km, which also have the highest damage. And the same 12km fishes are available on tier 10 cruiser Zao (with over 2km window of stealth torping with full concealment build), tier 9 Yugumo as well in "gunboat" branch, that is Kitakaze and Harugumo. Otherwise, IJN torps have on average the highest damage per fish. German torps may be faster and stealthier, but their lacking damage combined with only 8 launchers total can make you die a little bit inside, when you land 8/8 torps and target still lives. French DDs have high damage, high speed, but very few launchers, the highest amount of torps being 6 at time. Guns Guns Guns. Lowtiers not so much, but from tier 5 you get (in)famous 130mm, high velocity, low air drag shells, having comfortable ballistics to hit stuff at all ranges. From tier 8 onwards they get heal as option instead smoke, which further highlights their "that high speed annoying firestarting jackass" gameplay. They also are the only line where you usually forgo concealment to maximize gunnery. Not exactly team players, but fine lone wolfs or opportunists, harassers and overall annoying jackasses to deal with Carriers are main pain in the arse, but that extends to all DDs and everyone having ideas of "flanking" on their own.

WG isn't going to listen, they have quite a... pedigree in when it comes to ignoring player feedback. And given no CV/AA changes since 0.8.7, one can safely assume WG is done with carrier balancing and moved onto screwing game even more with submarines Quit the game, pay up to exit lowtier CV hell ASAP or grind your teeth away, "fun" the russian way.

Full camo Kiev and Tashkent can stealth torpedo just fine. Doesn't mean its their primary role.

First russian destroyer with torps longer than grenade throw are tier 8 Kiev and Ognevoi. You use guns in Russian destroyers, torps are in 95% cases for decoration.

If you're after credits, then tier 9, Jean Bart or Georgia. If its tier 10 (which still makes decent buck due to absurdly low maintenance costs) then Yoshino, Smolensk and Salem. Salem is sister ship of Des Moines, if that gives you any clue but with brit heal and worse radar. Least gimmicky of the three Smolensk is basically russian Atlanta Flint - paper, armor, with smoke and lots of small caliber, quick reloading guns with good ballistics and range because Russia. She is devastating to destroyers and sets everyone else on fire. Yoshino is large cruiser but japanese. HE pack hefty punch, 12km or 20km torpedo options, surprisingly stealthy for Yamato sized ship, but disturbingly fragile due to massively sticking out citadel Yamato style. Basically long range HE slinger that can *try* to close in during late game.

Which also means RNGesus have lesser chances to "fix" your lack of aiming with via dispersion.

Fanta nerf... Unlikely. On other hand, Mogador and especially Kleber may be hit with nerfbat for the same reasons Khaba was.

Cherry Blossom was (allied) cruisers only. Still, Cleve/Balti going pew pew all over the place was hilarious... when it worked.