SeaMonsterUK

Ever thought that there ARE NO OTHER OPTIONS? Apart from placing it at tier 7. But at least I'm not blinded by an obsession to over buff a gun that does not need to be over buffed at all.

Only way is through guns of bigger calibre.

True, T8-10 is basically 18" ville Armour-wise though the first 2 are literally glass cannons in comparison to the other Tier 8 and 9 of US and Germany. Pretty similar to Amagi.

Perhaps, but we'll wait and see. She us much easier though to balance compared to the Tier 7/8 Battleship of what will likely be the main branch. But the Slow BB line will definitely have Revenge in it leading up to Nelson, M3, N3 and L3.

I play the low tiers quite regularly, using either Arkansas or Imperator Nikolai mostly for that tier.

No battleship can hit all shots at long range. And besides, 14 12" guns is alot, might be hard to balance at tier 4.

Agincourt is likely to be too powerful for Tier 4 due to the battery of 14 12" guns and excellent secondaries. She's also faster than the Wyoming. She'd likely fit better at Tier 5 in the main tree with a fictional AA upgrade.

2 completely different classes of ship.

GB can get 3 lines of BB's, 1 BC, 1 BB and 1 Slow BB, slow BB starting at Tier 5 with Agincourt, the former 2 starting with Indefatigable and Bellerophon respectively.

Technically, her 3" guns are Minotaur's secondaries. Just they aren't used as such in WoWS.

And WG hopefully has a brain and won't give it subpar guns.

It's called exaggeration, and her "contemporaries" are all better than her. She needs those 15" guns otherwise there is no real point in putting her at Tier 8, at all.

It should get 15" guns, not buff it's 14" guns into Martian Heat Rays! And no! I WILL NOT DROP THE MATTER!

And I'll keep reiterating till people get the point! And I know it wouldn't work, it's not that I think, it's that I know from data and research into the guns and the penetration of the shells.

Whether you like it or not, a KGV with 15" guns, guns that along with 12 14" and 9 16" guns were considered for the ship, is still a KGV. And I don't like giving it guns it never really used either btw, but you got to look at it realistically, and the one thing WG doesn't want to end up doing is making a group of people who will see the KGV as being better than what it was in reality.

But it should get the bigger guns if it were to be at tier 8.

How much clearly do you need to understand sharpie, that, assuming WG is full of intelligent beings, the KGV will have 15" guns if it were to be a Tier 8 standard tree ship.

I still think though that there might be a chance, that KGV can work well at tier 7 without the need to nerf it's armour, just the AA. Most looking at Scharnhorst and Gneisenau and how poor the 14" guns were in reality, they will most likely give it the 15" guns for tier 8.

Exactly my point! You care little about British Battleships. Over buffing the guns, to unhistorical levels is more immersion breaking than changing the guns to a another set that was also planned for the ship.

Why is it everyone doesn't actually give a sh*t about British Battleships and instead want it to be the Laughing stock of the other Battleship trees................... I'm reiterate: The only way KGV will be Tier 8 is with 15" guns, not by over buffing the 14" to Martian Heat Ray Standards so get that f*cking nonsense out of your heads! Because it's that kind of over buffing that will literally KILL this game. Yes, you can buff or nerf turret traverse, but that is different to the performance of the guns themselves, but changing the guns on a whim, such as the penetration too far from it's historical figures is when it goes TOO far.

KGV will only ever work at Tier 8 if it has guns bigger than 14", which the Bismarck and North Carolina are both immune to at medium-long range engagements unless the shells either land below waterline or on the bow and neither will do much damage in WoWS like it does in real life. And WG have already said some time ago that they aim to make sure ships are as historically accurate as possible. I think that also means it's unlikely for them to over buff the 14" guns to Martian Heat Ray standards anytime soon.

WG is trying to make ships as Historically Accurate as possible. That does not mean they are going to make sure every single battle will be as well, even War Thunder won't be able to do that, but they will keep ship stats as close to as possible, that includes penetration of guns.

And as I said, Random Battles has nothing to do with historical accuracy, it as it says: Random Battle, not Historically Accurate Battles.

Blueprints are enough however to keep the ship's within the lines of historical accuracy.

Actually they are historically accurate as far as their blueprints are concerned with the exception to the German Tier 10 which is a H-41 with an extra gun per turret, though I won't touch the German cruisers as I don't know enough about them to determine whether any are fake or actual blueprints. And KGV would need the 15" guns to perform on par with Amagi, Bismarck and North Carolina.