SeaMonsterUK

True, likely being between 15000 and 20000 yards.

It's also an easy way to die in a battleship.

I'm aware that plunging fire increases in penetration the further the target, but the max firing range of 36'500 to 38'600 yards, penetration at max range is going to be around 6" deck armour max, and I think it will likely be at 5.65". Still not enough.

From what I can find, 25K is 4.75" or 121mm of armour penetration. Taking total armour into account, main deck and weather deck, the Bismarck will only sustain minimal damage while being able to deal maximum damage. Plus, superstructures in World of Warships are notorious for soaking up a lot of that penetration.

They could give us K-1000 lmao. And no, I am being serious, K-1000, despite being fake and minus the missiles, would make for the perfect basis for a tier 10 Soviet ship with a post-war design. Second bottom and bottom designs looks like the best candidate, replace the 2 SSM missile launches and replace them with triple 16" turrets.

Or her Modern day name, Admiral Ushakov

If they give it 15" guns like I suspect they will since WG aren't likely to be completely clueless like most of the "14" 4 tier 8 Brigade", then no they wouldn't be trolling at all.

Considering the 16" Mark 7 was the only naval gun designed to fire Nuclear Shells, I'd say it will be pretty balanced vs the Iowa and Montana-class

Personally I feel gun performance should keep to be historical, or around that of their historical values, with some stats being changed such as dispersion or range like in game currently. But as I said, penetration needs to keep within their historical parameters, which makes North Carolina completely invulnerable to the 14" Mk VII at the extent of her range. Armour Deck (14cm) + Main Deck (3.8cm) = 17.8cm

Still, I prefer the full facts rather than the part facts So I really can't help myself.

At neither ranges it won't penetrate the main deck of Bismarck, yes it's 100 to 120mm thick, but you also got to take into account with the wooden deck it has like with other ships, and in game she'll likely soak up the 14" guns with the superstructure.

I think it should still be acceptable. + it's 4" Deck armour will likely be reinforced.

She comes armed with 1 to 2 twin 130mm guns

I'd still place KGV at Tier 7, and the 14" guns could only penetrate the Bismarck at close range reliably to cause any real damage. She also had some trouble penetrating Scharnhorst. Also, Britain can get 3 BB lines, 1 slow BB starting at Tier 5 or 6, and BC and BB line starting at Tier 3. US can also get a BC line, though I'll need to do research on it, but also a slow BB line to accompany the main BB branch. Germany can get an additional BC line Japan should be able to get and additional fast BB line. Also, no of the ships in my made up tree is fake, all of them are actual blueprints if not actual ships. Also, a probable tier 6 premium, USS Nevada. 14" guns, in 2 twin and 2 triple guns 5"/38s in 8 twin turrets 40mm Bofors guns in 8 Quadruple mounts 20mm Oerlikons cannons in 40 single mounts Basically an AA armament that would make even USS Texas blush.

I can see the Soviet Tier 12 Battlecruiser already

35 knots for a 40k Ton ship seems very optimistic imo, let's call it 30.5 knots, including all the Secondary, AA and armour upgrades she'd need to fit at that tier.

I doubt we'll see those super Battleships anytime soon but HMS Incomparable, with her 6 20" guns would make for a pretty sweet Tier 10 for the BC line, though she'll need an upgrade to armour and AA, so better to use another design like J3.

That's the Tillman or Maximum Battleships for you. Just a sketch of one. Also, there is one Tillman capable of being at tier 10 being the most practical, but would likely be insanely OP at the same time xD 80'000 tons (which I think might be too heavy for WoWS anyway) and armed with 15 18" guns in Triple turrets.

By the way, you reckon we might get this in game for the US Slow BB Line? It's an 4x2 18" Gun design of the Iowa-class Battleship. Though not entirely sure if it's fake or real, but more practical than another Battleship design I've found. (edit: it's definitely a fake unlike the Tillman Battleship I posted underneath) 24 16" guns in 4 Sextuple turrets lmao And back to Britain, a possible Tier 9 or 10 for the RN, the Battleship X project. Armed with 2x3 16" guns, possibly Mk 3 giving it firepower around that of the Iowa (Mk 3 fired a heavier shell to the Mk 2 that was planned for the Lion-class Battleship), and secondary of 6x2 4,5" Mk VI guns (plan here shows 8) and additional AA comprising of 9 Sextuple 40mm Bofors. Belt of 9" and Deck of 6"

So is Scharnhorst and Gneisenau technically, and North Carolina wasn't finished as a Treaty Battleship. And both Richelieu and Littorio are both very much tier 8, where the KGV isn't. She's literally borderline and stuck at 7.5, with tier 6 guns on a battleship that if it had better guns, it would also be tier 8, but as it stands, it's tier 7.5 due to the limitation in it's own primary armament and would also be incapable of standing up to or going toe to toe with ships that are at Tier 8 with exception to Amagi, which still beats it in firepower but being a battlecruiser, has little armour protection around it's deck and citadel.

So, you can't see that one would be more drastic than the other? And I care about principle, a lot, but over buffing the guns for tier 8 goes against that principle, as it doesn't matter what you do, over buff the 14" guns or give it 15" guns, it still won't be the same KGV, and 1 is more realistic and viable than the other (that being the latter), where as a slight nerf to the AA capabilities of the ship is a whole lot less drastic than over buffing the main battery to compensate for tier.

Bismarck isn't really a treaty ship, since it technically broke the treaty when the Germans claimed it to be 35000 tons when it was actually heavier.

You aren't saying to over buff the KGV but can't seem to get in your head that the 14" Mk VII guns won't be able to make the ship on par due to the deficiency of its shells penetration? You really have no clue do you?

Because the buffs of the guns would stop them being the 14" guns that they are, where nerfs to the AA, which would be minor is acceptable and the armour may not need to be nerfed as there are several guns already that should be capable of penetrating the armour of the KGV. For instance, the 16" Mark 5 guns of Colorado and the 15" guns of the Gneisenau.

At tier 7 it would still need nerfs. But at least it wouldn't be over buffed to the point that you can tell it was shoved at a high tier even though it's guns should be in capable of that kind of performance, but I can see you're the type of person who couldn't give a damn so long as you can get easy kills.