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Yes, for the first 200 battles. But it wouldn't hurt that when there are bots in teams (up to tier 6 this happens) that seal clubbers count for more player, so they won't be protected if there's lots of players around, but get a little edge when there are few and many bots. So helping them for a battle or 300 more seems reasonable to me.

It would be nice if we could get smaller teams for the lower tiers. Not only is this easier for new players to adapt to the game as they need less situational awareness, but it would cut the waiting time significantly and make it easier to deal with sealclubbers as they'd face more concentrated resistance. It'd a lot easier for clubbers to pick off seals one by one among a field of bots, than if the seals all gang up on fewer targets, without being distracted by bots, IMO. I'd also make it so that there'd be fewer human players required by the MM on a side which has seal clubbers in it. Consider this a form of protected matchmaking over for those between 200-500 battles?

I'd say T4 CVs should just move to T5 with a MM of 1 tier difference.

This mode is ideal for Vermont tbh. :)

Had a grand battle. :)

*sarcasm-o-meter explodes*

If you're a good BB brawler player and get within 11km of enemy DDs you can make a difference though as the chances of those enemy DDs dieing first increases. Very important to control the torp lanes on you though so you can predict where they'll be. Sides with BBs that stay 2-3 grids away from cap zones lose due to losing their DDs first. Their front troops will have too much pressure on them. I've had solid winstreaks with my Izumo in silver and Cara in bronze, because I'm pushing hard and turning to bait in time, deterring cruisers and BBs from getting close enough to support their DDs well and breaking off a lot of enemy zone capture attempts. Cara is very good with pure SAP in brawling, always deal significant damage to any ship you encounter (except DDs frankly), frontally or sideways if you always just aim at deck height or higher and is a very good choice to use against all the German and Russian BBs you encounter in bronze. Izumo is good with the nose in for bouncing, but also at an angled retreat (allow say a Pommern to get within 7km while it's giving chase trying to get to torp range, your rear mounted secondaries will put it on fire, it'll bounce most shots and you can aim for deck/super structure height for 5-12K per hit). Also enjoy taking up positions in mid where most players don't expect enemy BBs and rely on DDs to counter. Those DDs tend to be in the cap zones though, so you're relatively safe there. Just need to avoid crossfire threat and create your own. Get a lot of citadels on Russian BBs especially as they tend to keep their nose to the ships directly on the other side of the cap zone.

*eery threatening voice over* By which he means, you can never, ever, sell her. Or else.

While that's true (1-3mins sounds about right, depending on how far and paying attention the target is), but those three attacks of the current CV would likely leave the target ship alive and if it didn't get citadelled, hardly damaged, whereas the one RTS would likely have killed it if not left it in a near death condition from just the one alpha strike. Most CV strikes now nibble away at the target. It does depend on which ship we're comparing though, I'd say a Shokaku is not at all comparible to the effectiveness of an AP CV in such engagements, as the citadelling today can be devastating at times.

Sorry, meant to say t9 (in relation to ranked silver/gold matches in particular). Viribus, T5, Blyska is T7, Orkan T8 after all. Ragnar seems like it will fill the Smaland void in radar DD, while being a gunship as the Friesland? At least I'm not seeing torpedo stats. Wasn't aware of that ship coming.

The latter alinea was about the current situation. As said, I specced for AA during RTS. Today I don't see the value and in Brawl a CV is a liability as far as I've noticed. An RTS CV would not have been, given it could have concentrated on a couple units and take those out in time. I don't see them getting such big alpha strikes today that they can wipe out even two ships reliably. Particularly not if they're say EU DDs.

When a side is being steamrolled, it usualy means a flank collapsed early. As a consequence, the positioning of the enemy ships is likely to be far better at getting enemy ships to line up their broadsides, while more ships are training their guns on them. Consider how many of those ships are visible at any given time, not all, so the enemy fire is even more concentrated. Given the winning team is under little threat, they'll be more at ease and take just a little more time to aim just right. The more shots are fired at a target, particularly from better angles, the more chance there are of a citadel hit amongst them. This is just a matter of volume of fire. The opposite is true for the steamrolled team. Their DPS goes down, their amount of targets up. Their relative DPS goes down even further with every ship that is sunk, they'll panic, become hasty in their targeting and firing to optimize their reload times (amount of volleys over quality of volleys) and they get worse shots lined up as everyone points their nose towards them, while they have to chose who to show (partial) broadside to. What you're experiencing is pure maths and psychology. As for your Monarch getting citadelled, it's a pretty squishy ship from itself. And certain nations have really good citadelling angles on the Monarch at specific ranges, even from the rear and front (Russian battleships in particular, but Italian BBs can hurt a lot with SAP too and even get citadels with SAP occasionally). As for not getting as many fires as you should, first off, I rarely use HE on Monarch as HE damage can be restored easily, but if you're facing higher tier ships, more of them will have captain upgrades that reduce fire chance. If you face T6 ships, you'll do more fires, even citadels with HE at times. Not so against T8-10.

I disagree, it is strong (not stronger) in competitive as long as there are at least 6 players in the match to stall the CV from being engaged quickly by holding multiple sides. In the Brawl, the CVs appear pretty weak due to not being able to put out their DPS. A RTS CV didn't need as much time, as it could guarantee double torpspread which could nuke some ships into oblivion in comparison. Sure there are some CVs that are still capable of putting out the hurt, but those are just not balanced very well as in those cases they either have too much alpha damage or too many short distance activating torps that can't be dodged.

Only invest in it by secondary effect most the time (range extensions and rof upgrades for secondaries for example). Used to have AA buffs on the RTS CVs and Cleveland during the RTS CV period though. With a CV you need aircraft survivability to even make drops at times and the enemy CV usualy won't attack you untill the last bit of the battle anyway. Beyond that, for most ships I think the AA is either good enough or if it's not it's not worth buffing either. Too circumstantial as not every fight brings aircraft and if they're there, chances are they go after someone else. If they home in on you, sure, but there's likely more surface ships guaranteed to target you.

Yes, and it was stated there were internal discussions going on about what to do with the captain on several videos iirc. Again, no details and they had no clear ideas at the time it seems because they put themselves in a difficult situation, but doing nothing to compensate seeing as a ship's stats are affected once a commander changes, doing nothing seems like the least logical compensation. So to me, commander wise, the most logical compensation options would be: A) Clone the captain (to a basic captain if it's a special captain, keep the special captain in EU) - this would result in an equivalent EU and NL captain and would therefore not hurt a player's playing capacity, if said player used the same captain on Friesland and other EU ships. Tbh, chances are people have a dedicated captain on the Friesland due to the Smaland being a far better EU premium, sadly removed from purchase now, despite it's overpresence in Ranked. Speaking of fairness, leaving some with an OP premium and not giving others the chance to acquire the same tool is IMO pretty meh. Balance the thing if you think it's overused due to OPness... :P). B) Transfer one EU captain by choice to the Dutch nation and change name, nationality and appearance. If it's a special captain, reset the special captain, create an equivalent base captain and free up all exp invested in the captain as captain exp to be distributed amonst any captains the player sees fit. A 3, 6 or 10 pt captain is pretty standard to acquire, so no player should care if up to a 10pt Dutch captain is awarded to go with a Dutch premium ship. This would however force a choice between either a good EU or good Dutch captain. C) Allow EU captains on the Friesland as exception to the Dutch ships. This would keep the Friesland in the same condition, but provide a training ship for Dutch captains, while not interfering with anyone's capabilities on the EU line. It would also ensure that the EU line isn't without a premium for some time.

Two things: 1. Logic and fairness: you spend time training a captain on and for a ship, it should move with, or be compensated for. 2. Wargaming said they would compensate for the commander of people already owning the Friesland. Doable, but probably not what they'll do since it means extra work with a bit more complexity. Irrelevant. They actually said they'd compensate for the commandender back in may (see quote earlier in this thread). You're white knighting a revocation of a decision they actually communicated to us then. They're diggin their holes in both cases either with poor planning or poor communications, let them work themselves out of it. Regardless, as a consumer, compensation to keep your in-game item on par while promises are fulfilled, especially for a semi-premium ship, seems more than reasonable. There are an awful lot of Frieslands out there, it's one of the most popular high tier premium DDs next to Smaland. And it's a pretty unique ship at that since it has no torpedoes, therefore its DD commander will be uniquely set up. Please remember you speak for yourself. Sorry, but this is bull. :/ First, you're saying you'd not use a 21pt captain, simply because you could spend a long time grinding a substitute captain. No. You'd always keep that 21 pt captain on a different tier ship, since that one commander you're talking about is going to be trained for one ship only. Second, your access to free exp and captain exp is not equal to that of others. You don't think it's a big deal to train up a captain, whereas it is for people who have a lot less time to invest in this game. You're being far too self-centered and all your arguments are literally arguments of convenience around a speculative scenario. No, because there's a lot of people who have dedicated captains per ship. Meanwhile the if's and maybe's face reality: right now Friesland users lose their captain if they transfer to the Dutch line and lose their ship for their dedicated captain, OR don't get a Dutch tech tree premium, which was promised would be the case. You're trying to come up with excuses, but they all require you to theorycraft convenient scenarios for you and how you would personally go about things. That's all fine, but it's a worthless argument to other people. I'd be fine with a captain reset as well, say Swirsky going back to 10 pts, getting a 10 pt Dutch commander and all invested exp in the captain becoming free captain exp. I mean, that's exp you've earned for that ship/captain anyway, nobody outside you should care who it is invested in, or even if you shift it elsewhere. You'll end up with the same net worth of captain on either end.

You putting words in my mouth? :x Misquote it seems. (I'm not saying it's bad btw, never used it, I just wasn't the one you quoted)

Sowwy. :(

12 x 1 = 12 6x 3 = 18 I bet most players will drop all 3 at once to optimize hitting chance and reload time. So that'd be a 1.5x increase in aircraft per engagement.

They're jacks of all trades DoT, hence situationally poor for CQB where alpha strikes and sustained DPS is more important. It can work, but for a CV your team needs to put up a defense to give you time, while they're likely rushing off in all directions getting picked off one by one, or all went to rush in the same direction, easily getting flanked.

One of the benefits of slow ships is that you're often better at dodging torps due to the turning circle being smaller and thus less predictable. Oklahoma, Kansas, Minnesota and Vermont are, for their width and low speed, actually pretty good at dodging if you take the rudder upgrade.

In random battles people sit further in the back (especially BBs) because they fear concentrated fire from up to 12 ships. This gives CVs time to deliver their payload (flight time is significantly higher after all) and do their scouting (indirect damage by allowing allies to damage). CVs are timesinks. Which is why it's well possible to run down a CV if it has no screening escort ships that slow down the opponents, allowing it to get some damage output over time. It shouldn't surprise you that this mode is not well suited to CVs. They can still hurt, but if they have a few bad attacks or take too long flying or searching DDs, they'll have wasted so much time they can't keep up with the damage output of the other team. Havn't lost a single asymmetric brawl with a CV on the other side yet. :)

I don't think you're jobless, I even explicitly asked you about your job occupation and whether it allows you to by your own logic visit a game forum. Keep up will you? You're taking the piss now with your insane prejudices. Grow up kid. Btw, you're on ignore from this point on, because clearly you're not worth debating.

I already made the arguments, I'm not going to repeat them just because you're too dense to read my posts while making up stuff I never said. Stop lying? So... APART from the people who disagree, the "entire" community? Glad your claim isn't easily dismantled by requiring just one exception to the rule. :) And no, you require a minimal amount of play time to get there on short notice, all the while the ship is useless for ranked where I have a perfectly good ship for it now, which was promised to be a good ship on the Dutch tech tree. When you have a given amount of free time, it's not a matter of maximum time required, it's a matter of time available to complete the minimal time required. That you can't wrap your head around that is your problem, but it seems you have a lot of problems wrapping your head around arguments. A true scotsman argument... Yeah, why not add another completely assumptuous fallacy? Should I be surprised? Did you know that scientists are humans with hobbies too? Or are they not allowed out of their labs and offices? Nice stereotyping though. Mind if I ask what you do for a living and why, since you're clearly not a professional gamer, you're on a gaming forum instead of forums about the intricacies of whatever it is you do? Should plumbers only visit forums about toilets, sewers and other plumbing related things? Really? That's the argument you're making? I happen to have a vested interest in this particular discussion, so who are you to posit that I don't have a right to even be here? Wow. You must have won so many debates, in your head. Ah, an insult, empty dismissal, character attack, attack on authority and a whataboutist fallacy in one. Do tell me more about your debating skills? Oh no, neither have I. I simply concluded you're not. So glad we agree. No, you've not 'read' them, you've skimmed them. You seem to be confusing the scenarios of exchanging the Groningen and losing the Friesland and keeping the Friesland and having to buy the Groningen here. I never said anything about cash grab with regards to the Groningen, that's with regards to De Zeven Provinciën being offered as an alternative premium choice for the Dutch Tech Tree... And since that's a ship that's not attainable for free, isn't available automatically and instantly with a trained captain it doesn't address the fact that the existing premium isn't moved over as announced and confirmed on multiple occassions. Even if you'd go for it you'd be without a premium Dutch ship for about two months grinding missions to bring the price down, while you had a perfectly fine premium DD ready before the patch, which subsequently isn't available anymore in the same capacity unless you're not making a Dutch premium out of it by exchanging it and neutering your captain for it. So that's an absolute non-solution to this issue, but more of a half-hearted pacifier. Worse about this argument is that De Zeven Provinciën is going to be there anyway as potential additional ship, whereas the issue is purely with the captain compensation. So anything regarding ship transfer of the Friesland to acquire a Dutch premium is moot unless there's a proper captain compensation, preferably in the form of acquiring a Dutch captain that goes with the Dutch Tech Tree premium DD that doesn't impact your performance of the Friesland (even as Groningen) compared to pre-patch. The issue is what is done with the captain. I'd happily exchange Friesland for Groningen if I'd keep an equivalent captain for instance, whether cloned or refurbished, but there's no benefit to me exchanging it or not exchanging it as is. Either I lose out on getting a Dutch Tech Tree premium as promised, or I lose out on one of my favourite Ranked ships for a long time. I'm sorry you're so easily confused, but again confirmation that your reading comprehension is pretty bad. :/ The main problem is that you havn't even identified the issue you're discussing before offering "solutions" and then whine when the people concerned with the issue don't accept your empty offers. You constantly work on assumptions and thinking you know what you're talking about, when it's pretty damn clear you don't. And I've told you why none of those options are good and all involve WG breaking their multiple confirmations. Stop white knighting, you don't have to defend WG's decisions, that's for WG to do. I have every right to request the compensation for the captain their staff has explicitly stated they'd provide, back in may. Which apparently is something you don't care for, but I do. You're entitled to your flawed opinion, but your flimsy arguments aren't going to convince me. Unfortunately you cannot accept that. Meanwhile, I'm not trying to convince you, but simply explain to you and others why your options aren't good enough for me because none address any captain compensation for moving the Friesland over or picking up the Groningen. Yet you refuse to accept this because you're in an "us vs them" mentality where you're unwilling to even consider the other side's stance and arguments. Instead, you're only interested in "winning" the argument that you'll make up strawman and bring up all sorts of fallacies. Don't think you've actually answered anything in the sense that you've never addressed the points of contention aside from dismissing them and going on tangents and offering "solutions" that do not address the issue denoted. Am indeed wasting a lot of time needlessly yes, so I'm ending this "debate" with you since you've got no interest in debating, just badgering.

That's an issue a lot of developers have: worst case scenarios.