__Helmut_Kohl__

There is not a single ship in the game that gets less accurate when you get closer. It simply gets less accurate in comparison to other BBs. But it gets more accurate when getting closer nonetheless. In the late game you go brawling with it of course. At a slight angle you can still tank a lot of stuff.

The 406mm caliber cannot overmatch as many armor plantings as other BBs at TX. This means you need people to show you some side. That is more likely in matches with more players, where it will be less likely that all of them will pay attention to you.

It's all in this topic mate. To put it in single a sentence, the guns have the highest shell speed, highest penetration and best accuracy of all BBs at long range.

Good choice. It's quite a unique BB.

Who cares about the end of the battle? It will be over then. And your match would have been ruined without anything you could do against it.

Trust me, there is no counterplay. Friendly AA will not save you. I really wonder how you would feel about the class, if I would do this to you.

Yes, let's stick with a discussion on the matter, no crazy math ok? I mean well. You never answered this to me: If I want to make somebody's life miserable in a top tier CV, there is absolutely no way for him to avoid it. No counterplay, no repositioning, nothing - I can ruin his match anywhere on the map, just because I want to. And the worst thing: He cannot fight back. He cannot touch me and I have enough planes to send at him again and again. How is this fair?

Nobody agrees to that. If you want people to listen, you gotta stop saying these things man - they are plain wrong and sound crazy.

Dude what are you doing? This is not helping you in any way to make a point.

But what if somebody had not actually understood how to play the game correctly, hence losing more games than he won in every class? Could he really judge how complex certain classes are compared to other classes? Would that not require him to achieve some basic success first? I believe that a person needs to have basic skills in math to know that 2+2=4. A person who is failing math even at a basic level might think that 2+2=3. And he still might think that he knows all there is to it. So tell me - what can a player know who is failing even at a very basic level? And will he realize that he knows nothing about the complexity of being successful?

Would you say that you are in a position to judge this ? Have you fully understood the different classes and how to play them effectively ?

I understand that you are trying to look at this very logical, so let me try to reason with this: 40 is not an acceptable average speed for surface ships. Only few ships are that fast. You will not be able to catch a good CV player before the battle is decided - he will keep moving away from you early in advance. I know this because that is what I do. You are working with wrong assumptions as basis. Your 1st assumption is that all ships get a comparable reward in baseXP for comparable actions. Fact is that CVs have decreased earnings. Before earnings were reduced, CVs have always been top XP in Ranked on the losing team. Your 2nd assumption is that the powerlevel of a ship can be measured in baseXP. Fact is that there are a lot of ways to influence the outcome of a battle without being rewarded much XP. Using a radar to support your team for example, will only give you little xp reward. Yet the radar is very powerful. CVs regularly kill DDs by rockets and spotting in less than a minute. Do not assue it is not possible because you cannot do it yourself. Did it ever cross your mind that one ship should not be able to have influence everywhere on the map? A bigger issue than the speed and the spotting is the lack of counterplay though. If I want to make your life miserable in a top tier CV, there is absolutely no way for you to avoid it.

Can you make this a list of bullet points instead? So I don't have to crawl through a wall of text?

How is this a valid argument for the power level of the class compared to the other classes?

So for you there are only "lovers" who play CV and "haters" who play surface ships? What about the people who play a lot of CV but find the class quite unbalanced still? Like myself for example and many other who have posted here.

I am a CV player and I provided you some bullet points as you have asked. Guess it was just not what you wanted to hear.

Superships, Submarines, Arms Race. Randoms are a complete mess - a Halloween game mode is a good comparison.

I cannot be bothered to make a "list of arguments" so lets just get a few major points that make the CV class broken: Moves at 200 knots across the map and can spot and attack anyone anywhere at will. Can always focus the most valuable target anywhere on the map. Never has to put itself into any danger. There is no risk of losing all planes because AA is a joke. Now you go ahead and make a "list of arguments" why the CV class is not more powerful than other classes.

To me it just comes down to the question whether you like rail guns. Because if you like rail guns, there is no way around Slava (and Stalingrad for that matter).

In Randoms there are a lot of broadsiding people and the high shell speed and penetration at range are great to make use of that. The citadel protection is the same as on Kremlin. So you are actually quite safe at 20km. The soft nose is not an issue most of the time, since you cannot eat citadels through that and you try to stay at medium to long range anyway. Apart from the fact that Vermont can only dream of the long range shell speed and penetration that Slava has. Well, I'm Randoms there are usually always broadsides somewhere. Don't forget that these guns are effective even at max range.

Nope, it wasn't in the Logbook on PTS, iirc. Mecklenburg was though (steel).

I also find the rockets on USS US to be very good against DDs. Big reticle to make up for maneuvering and enough rockets to still get good dmg out of it, especially against the bigger DDs: Generally speaking, I personally consider USS US in its current state the better damage farmer as well as being simply better in general.

Sounds like you are a Slava guy. You're probably missing out if you don't try these guns.

I will have a laugh when you can't afford the first T11 steel ship.

@OP short answer: no long answer: noooooo