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@Bear_Necessities and me tested the Enterprise against a Friesland with BFT and AA modules. Was actually quite brutal against the T8, @El2aZeR. Bear is a good Enterprise player, so it was just the potent AA. Even when DefAA was down, the sector control was good enough.

That looks like you put IFHE on a T9 ship with 120mm guns (meaning you don't even cross the 27mm threshold) and shot at some helpless T7 ships.

Both ships need to take advantage of friendly spotting/radar. You can go rushing into caps with your 5km hydro, but then you will struggle with Friesland just like you have been struggling with Kita.

This is Azuma all over again and I don't like it. Seems like WG is only giving us weak ships for FXP now. Do I need to play it more often to see the combination of bad concealment, HP, speed and ballistics? Will that change after 20 games? Sure I would make it work, but would it ever be as good as the competition?

Every new ship has good stats in the beginning, because the more dedicated players always get the new ships first. Over time, the stats always normalize.

I just turned his spreadsheet argument against him. I don't give much about the current stats of the ship, as the better players can make every ship work. I have pointed out its weaknesses. Let me ask you if you would take it into Ranked.

You had one game in it. Bear had 6 games with poor results. Bear knows she is nowhere as good as Kitakaze. You naming yourself as a good player is cute.

Show me a good player saying she is competitive compared to the other T9 DDs.

Pete, some people here actually have a lot of skill and experience in DDs. They don't need your spreadsheet.

Don't play dumb Pete, you know that the dedicated players have ships first and stats will drop.

@Ev1n maybe you should make a TX variant that can actually utilize one of the 2 radar dishes on the ship instead of DefAA. That would be interesting.

And now play Mogador and tell me you still like the Friesland.

To clarify: A good player can utilize the DPM and fire starting capability, inspite of the disadvantages that come with it. A division can set up radar-ambushes together. The ship can work well. Kitakaze is just much better.

Well it is same with Azuma. You can make it work if you want to and some people like it. But if you compare it with its peers, it is just not competitive.

In the vast majority of "OK" Friesland battles posted here, a Kitakaze would have probably done an even better job. Sure, it can do ok. But can it compete with the other T9 DDs in general? Probably not.

For a T9 DD that is still high though, which is why I can see this ship together with a T8 CV. But that's it really.

Maybe, but people need to know before spending their FXP. Took that from proships.ru when wirting the post, but that site is bugged anyway. Concealment is still bad.

You would have probably had a better game in Kitakaze.

Yeah you just gotta put some random category, as there is also no category for this: https://eu.wargaming.net/support/en/products/wows/article/26139/ I did not do it myself yet, but will probably do it after work, as the ship felt as bad as expected and I know I will never play it over the other T9 (just compare it to Mogador, Chung Mu, Kitakaze, Jutland).

Same here. As expected, this ship is in desperate need of either one of these things: Radar instead of DefAA Heal Reload Booster Concealment buff

Since when does high fire-damage to BBs equal carry potential? It is Conqueror all over again.

Making sure you are in a certain 2 km window to fire invisible in the open never felt natural to me though. Anyway, I wonder how many times the whiners here have actually died to a Smolensk.

The problem is that it only shoots down 1 plane, meaning effectively nothing in the defense of these low-AA ships. So it is a super stupid 4p skill as it is.

Does the refund policy for the Arsenal (now called Armory) still apply to the Research Bureau as part of the Armory ? https://eu.wargaming.net/support/en/products/wows/article/10213/ "Premium ships purchased through the Arsenal can be refunded if no more than one (1) battle was played with the ship. Coupons used on such purchases cannot be restored. Event-related currency may be refunded as its value in credits." Does this mean I can give back the Colbert after I have played one battle and get back all of my Research Points @MrConway @Crysantos ?

You are funny. It is a SPRINT. You are taking it way to seriously.