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Originally the Navy of the United States wished to build 10 Long Beach type Nucelar crusiers but the shifting in political atmosphere and cost reductions only a single ship built. The class actually had to b fitted at first with Regulus anti ship missiles then later Polaris ICBM's and finally and AEGIS version also born. Neither of these proposals were went through to the actual development phase and USS Long Beach entered service as an Air defence ship for the fleet equipped with Terrier and Talos SAMs, ASROC Anti Sub rockets and no gun armament. Later of course she did recieved gun armament, Tomahawk and Harpoon anti ship missiles. If anybody other could provide more info on the other proposals that would be great! Artist impression of the AEGIS variant: Side view and model of the Regulus quipped version: (Note the different superstructure and camouflage pattern which was entirely absent of post WW2 ships) An 1961 article about the Polaris equipped Long Beach: (Note the text of multiple ships to be built, also she was much sooner commissioned, later in that year 1961 September)

Just found (by a friend) this early streamlined version of the USS Long Beach:

I've got hold an extract from a naval forum about possible modernisation plans for the Kawachi class Battleship IJN Settsu which was stripped from her armament after the Washington Naval Treaty and used as a radio controlled training and test ship soon after. These proposals apparently considered from 1938 until 1941 when WW2 broke out. The full scale modernisations called for a maximum speed of 50km/h (27knots) 1. Either cut the two central twin 30cm/50 Type 41 cannons to 45 calibre ones or replace them with the slightly older 30cm/45 Type 41 (Type 37) cannons, add a new rangefinder on the main mast and two 25mm triple AA guns between the funnels. 2. Replace the cannons in the fore wing turrets with 30cm/50 Type 41 ones, remove the aft wing turrets and substitute them with two catapults, add a crane behind the second funnel and a few light AA guns, with some minor refitting to the superstructures. This is actually possible as to my source Japan only produced 12 pieces of the 50 calibre cannons out of which 8 were used on the IJN Kawachi and Settsu, but 4 were lost when Kawachi exploded shortly after WW1, meaning only 4 extra barrels were available. 3. Replace all the wing turret cannons with 30cm/50 calibre ones, trunk the funnels together, add eight triple 25mm guns amidships and fit a catapult on the roof of the aft centreline turret with a crane on the stern like on the Yamatos or the American battleships. This proposal is quite problematic as I've written earlier Japan did not have enough 30cm/50 calibre cannons. It is doubtful Japan would produce new pieces of this old design, which leaves another source: Great Britain, of course if they willing to export/sell the 12inch Mark XI and XII barrels. 4. A more extensive version of the one above: new 31cm Type 0 cannons in all turrets (The gun proposed for one of the B-65 versions), completely rebuilt superstructures similarly to all other Japanese battleships: pagoda mast, single funnel with six twin 12,7cm Type 89 DP-AA guns around it, three on each side, several triple 25mm Type 96 light AA guns and again a catapult on top of turret no.6 with a crane on the stern. 5. Same as above, but removing all four wing turrets, fit triple 155mm Type 3 (Type 90) turrets in their places and two catapults amidships between the two wing turrets. 6. Same as above, but with only the two catapults amidships between the two side turrets. Cranes would be near the funnel like on Bismarck or Scharnhorst, and the twin 12,7cm Type 89 DP-AA guns would be reduced to four and repositioned near to the pagoda mast. 7. BBAA conversion without floatplanes, catapults and cranes but with five or even six twin 12,7cm Type 89 DP-AA guns on each side, and of course lots of 25mm Type 96 light AAs. 8. Removal of the three aft turrets and fit several twin 12,7cm Type 89 DP-AA guns in their place, keep the fore three turrets and fit them with the new 31cm Type 0 cannons, no floatplanes. 9. Removeval all turrets except the forward centreline one, fit four triple 155mm Type 3 (Type 90) turrets where the wing ones used to be, and eight twin 12,7cm Type 89 DP-AA guns, six around the funnel and two superfiring aft; 10. Remove all the main turrets, fit three triple 155mm Type 3 (Type 90) turrets in fore centreline and aft wing positions and 11 twin 12,7cm Type 89 DP-AA guns (one superfiring over the fore centreline 155mm triple turret, four on the sides in the place of the fore wing turrets, four more around the funnel and two superfiring in place of the aft centreline turret. 11. Complete AA conversion with 16 twin 12,7cm Type 89 DP-AA guns, two superfiring forward, four on each side, four around the funnel and two superfiring aft. Also note: Numbers 8 and 10 are completely fictional, only based on some ideas of a few IJN designers that were not followed by actual projects... Number 9,10 and 11 are debatable as the main turrets were already removed when these projects seems to be proposed! So the question is does anybody else heard about these kind of proposals? Anybody heard about these or read about them?

Before the plan to rebuild the old battleships of the Regia Marina, the Conte di Cavour and Andrea Doria classes, there were plans to build fast capital ships, aka battlecrusiers. The design could be considered as the battlecrusier version of the later Littorio class battleships though it did have very limited AA weaponry for self defence. Design work progressed rapidly, but in late 1933 the Italians decided to abandon the work. The 1933 battlecruiser would have been poorly protected, but it was more than capable of dealing with British and French cruisers, while being fast enough to elude capital ships. The cancellation of this design meant that Italy, the nation that had given birth to the very idea of a cruiser armed with battleship-caliber weapons, never fielded a battlecruiser. Dimensions: 200 x 27 x 8m Displacement: 26.500tons Engine Power: 160.000shp, 4 shafts Maximum Speed: 54km/h (29knots) Armour Thickness: 250mm Belt, 150mm Deck Armaments: 4x2 340mm Cannons 6x2 152mm Guns 6x2 37mm AA Guns 4 seaplanes, probably IMAM Ro.43 And my version of the design with heavier AA armament of the 90mm single guns and revised catapult placement:

The history of the Nelson class (O3) and its predecessor designs are long and a bit complicated. But there are a few errors in your description saved from Wikipedia. There were no 12 gunned version, and the secondaries only consisted of 8 twin 6inch turrets not 16

There is a couple of Battleship, Battlecruiser and a few cruiser designs the Austro-Hungarian Navy had before their dissolution in 1918/19, but posting them again and again is a bit tiring. Previous incarnation of the forum had them. The capital ship designs can be found here: http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/5603-kuk-battlecruiser-designs/ Which only means the cruiser designs left out. There is no mention on any aircraft carrier proposal for the navy, though this does not mean the idea wasn't risen.

And now the British Battleship of the Future in full colours: I've called her HMS Lord Fisher:

Any new info on the design or history?

I think more then likely!

Some new info on the designs: The quad turreted battleships are follow up designs of the Carraciolo class from 1914, while these smaller cruiser designs were from a different architect called Soliani and dates back to 1920.

Some new info about the design: It appears it was designed around 1904 or 1905 and was a possible variant of the Satsuma class battleships so this could be either a preliminary or alternative proposal. Also this cruiser design: http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/4179-first-class-cruiser-design/ was related, probably and armoured cruiser version of this design.

A first class battleship design from the early 20th century, probably around at the time of the Russo-Japanese war. A unique battleship with an uniform main armament of 305mm cannons and most of it's secondary guns are in turrets as well.The lack of superfiring turrets and their circular shape shows it was from the early 20th century. Data: Dimensions: 140,2m lenght Displacement: 17.000tons Speed: 33km/h (18knots) Armour: Belt 178mm, Deck: 25mm OR 178+127mm and 102+25 Armament: 4x2 305mm Cannons 6x2,4x1 152mm Guns 4x1 120mm Guns 4x1 457mm Torpedo Tubes

Ask Stefano if you can reach him, but I assume from some Italian book or magazine.

Interesting how the Italians created a very similar Heavy Cruiser design to that of the Austro-Hungarian Montfalcone design for China, then they went to the UK way and modified the design in an Italian Glorious small Battlecruiser! Austro Hungarian Monfalcone heavy cruiser design for China: Italian Ferrati Design: Original: http://i.imgur.com/0PWmrav.jpg Revised Ferrati Design: Original: http://i.imgur.com/OcK02gt.jpg British Glorious: Hawkins: Data: Name Monfalcone design Nabor Soliani Design Nabor Soliani Revised Design Courageous Hawkins Dimensions 137x14,7x4,9 meters Unknown Unknown 239,7x24,7x7,1 meters 184,4x19,8x59 meters Displacement 4.900 tons 10.700 tons 12.500 tons 22.690 tons 12.300tons Armour Belt: 100mm, Deck: 63mm Unknown Unknown Belt: 76mm, Deck: 38mm Belt: 76mm, Deck: 38mm Engine 37.000shp 2 shafts, 28knots Unknown 4 shafts, 34knots Unknown 4 shafts, 33,5knots 90.000shp 4 shafts, 32knots 60.000shp 4 shafts, 30knots Main Armament 2x2 203mm 2x2 203mm 2x2 381mm 2x2 381mm 7x1 190mm Secondary Armament 12x1 120mm, 10x1 47mm 6x2 102mm, 12x1 76mm? 6x2 102mm, 12x1 76mm? 6x3 102mm 10x1 76mm Torpedoes 2x1 450mm 4x2? 457/533mm? 4x2? 457/533mm? 2x1 533mm 6x1 533mm

In the second post, "Here" is the link. Or here: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/bk/NWS/Regia_Marina/Piani_Ferrati_et_altri/index.html

Checking the Project G1, it is almost the perfect quadratic warship! 4 engines, 4 shafts, 4 funnels, 4 main turrets each with 4 guns with a full 4 turret broadside, 4 secondary gun turrets per broadside, and 4 torpedo tubes per broadside! The only things which does not make it a perfect quadratic design are the twin secondary turrets, 3 steering gears and 3 anchors.

Some funny posts and such and too many posts one after another.

That would be nice. I've tried to contact Stefano our Italian specialist but since that little "problem" with the moderators when this forum started he seems to be abandoned this forum

It would be nice to know when these designs born, but I assume around the 1910's

Which can always be solved by salvo fire, first the two inner or outer barrels then the other pair say a second later. Like how the germans in WW1 solved the problem of firing through the propellers on their aircraft.

N Sadly I have no info on these, and I do not even know the calibre of the weapons they carry!

The reason for not having a superfiring 2nd turret is probably to save weight and such shallower draft. most the WW1 and pre WW1 Russian Battleship designs like Kostenko's 1916 battleship lacked superfiring turrets to achieve the shallowest draft possible.

Maybe sometime in the future I will make clean drawings of them

With With Commander Kanneda's Battleship (50x2 41cm!)

Okay here are the things I've noticed: - The Golden Chrysantenum certain ships (for example Amagi) disappears in certain angles and re-appears when rotated back - On the Mogami CL/CA if I've unlocked all components but not using the latest ones (15,5cm triple turrets instead of 20cm twin ones for example) no free XP generated even if I have unlocked the next ship, the Myoko - Again on the Mogami if I use the 20,3cm twin turrets the barrels of the 2nd turrets goes through the 1st turret's back. look at drawings of the class, the 2nd turret barrels could not be elevated lower then the roof of the 1st turret - On the Amagi and Nagato classes the 41cm turret roof's small pyramid things goes into the barrels of the superfiring turrets if rotated.