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Kikuo Fujimoto one of the most prominent and talented naval architects of his time before WW2 drawn up a controversial battleship design in the mid 30's around 1935. The design itself goes very well in the Peace Goddess plan of the IJN but a talented engineer would note one single thing about it, it's displacement. The ship would be very heavily armed with 12x 510mm (20inch) cannons, 16x 15 or 15.5cm secondary guns and 16-20 127mm DP-AA guns on a displacement of only 50.000tons! It is either very unlikely to build such a ship with such heavy armaments and thick armour, or you have to make sacrifices like paper thin turret armour and extreme all or nothing armour scheme like full armour for engines and magazines and nothing elsewhere. My friend provided data from two magazines about this design: According to "Rekishi-Gunzo", issue 2012 August: Displacement: 50.000tArmour: Belt 406mm , Deck 280mmSpeed: 56km/h (30 knots)Armament:3x4 510mm cannons8x2 155mm guns8x2 or 10x2 127mm AA gunsAircraft:12 floatplanes Three turrets arranged like Myoko class. According to "Maru", issue 2013 February: Displacement: 50.000tLength: 290mBeam: 38mDraft: 9.8mArmour: Belt 406mm , Deck 280mm Engines: 140.000shp, deselSpeed: 56km/h (30 knots)Range: 22.000km at 30km/h (12.000nm at 16knots)Armament:4x3 510mm cannons8x2 155mm guns8x2 or 10x2 127mm AA gunsAircraft:12 floatplanes Four turrets arranged like Tone class. Drawings from Japanese magazines: And my drawing of the design:

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Ersatz Zenta class (Replacement Zenta class: 3 fast light cruisers, essentially scout cruisers, authorized on 28th of May, 1914, in the same 1914-15 naval budget as the Ersatz Monarch or improved Tegetthoffs. These cruisers were a continuation of and improvement on the previous designs, showing a clear switch from the scout role to the better armed fleet cruiser. 3 naval engineers proposed designs for the requirement of such cruisers: Franz Pitzinger, Silvius Morin and Johann Fiala, but only Fiala's desings were taken into consideration, but before a clear decision in favour of any one was taken, war broke out and the laying down of the first unit was postponed. In December 1915, although Italy had now entered the war, the Naval Command demanded changes in the cruiser design which clearly reflected the lessons of the first year of the war and also the urgent need for fast but better armed cruisers for Adriatic warfare: more powerful main artillery, heavier AA guns and increased belt armour. Other designers variants: https://stefsap.wordpress.com/2015/10/18/austria-hungarys-naval-building-projects-1914-1918-cruisers/ Original Design: Dimensions: 153,1m x 13,7m x 6,4m Displacement: 4.950tons standard, 5.611 full load Engine Power: 38.000shp, 2 shafts Maximum Speed: 56km/h (30knots) Range: Unknown Armour: 20mm Belt, 38mm Deck Armaments: 14x1 120mm Guns 1x1 47mm Gun 2x1 450mm Torpedo Tubes Silvius Morin's variant: Revised design: Dimensions: 153,1m x 13,7m x 6,4m Displacement: 8.640tons standard Engine Power: 38.000shp, 2 shafts Maximum Speed: 56km/h (30knots) Range: Unknown Armour: 150mm Belt, 38mm Deck Armaments: 2x1 190mm Guns 6x1 150mm Guns 4x1 90mm AA Guns 1x2 533mm Torpedo Tubes Project VII Heavy Cruiser This design of a heavily armed and armoured cruiser first proposed for the Technical Committee of the Navy by Franz Pitzinger in 1917 and approved by the 1st of August, 1918. Apparently as the design emerged shortly after the British Hawkins class cruisers were launched and the Emerald class light cruisers under construction it is logical that the two navies designers concluded the same experience from war lessons. Data on the design Dimensions: 184,5m x 18,2m x 6,45m Displacement: 10.000tons standard, 12.000tons full load Engine Power: 90.000shp, 2 shafts Maximum Speed: 61km/h (33knots) Range: 12.900km at 37km/h (7.000nm at 20knots) Armour: 150mm Belt, 30mm Deck Armaments: 3x2 190mm Guns 4x1 90m AA Gun 2x1 533mm Underwater Torpedo Tubes

Cruisers There were a number of cruisers designs during WW I including the 3+1 intended for China: The large or great China cruiser: In 1913 the Chinese government ordered 4 cruisers of two different designs from Cantiere Navale Trietino, Monfalcone (CNT). These were cruiser number 65,66,67 as well as 68 for the large cruiser. Preparatory work began in December 1914, the keel of the large Chinese cruiser being laid in March 1915. Her armament and armour were to be provided by the Skoda Works, while the turbines were to come from Ganz & Danubius AG, Budapest. When Italy declared war on Austria-Hungary, only parts of the keel and some frames were erected. When Austrian troops recaptured the area in the 27th of October, 1917, these 4 cruisers showed remarkably little damage because construction was so little advanced. The design of the large Chinese cruiser could be easily reworked to Austro-Hungarian standards, the 37.000shp turbine set and the entire boiler system were ready for delivery, and 31% of the hull material was already stockpiled, so plans were drawn up in April, 1918 to restart work on her but she was scrapped on the stocks postwar. Original Design: Dimensions: 137m x 14,68m x 4,88m Displacement: 4.900tons standard Engine Power: 37.000shp, 2 shafts Maximum Speed: 52km/h (28knots) Range: 5.600km at 24km/h (3.000nm at 13knots) Armour: 100mm Belt, 63mm Deck Armaments: 2x2 203mm Guns 12x1 120mm Guns 10x1 47mm Guns 4x1 37mm Guns 2x1 450mm Torpedo Tubes Revised design for the KuK Marine: Dimensions: 137m x 14,68m x 4,88m Displacement: 4.900tons standard, 5350tons full load Engine Power: 37.000shp, 2 shafts Maximum Speed: 52km/h (28knots) Range: 5.600km at 24km/h (3.000nm at 13knots) Armour: 100mm Belt, 63mm Deck Armaments: 8x1 150mm Guns 2x1 90mm AA Guns 2x2 450mm Torpedo Tubes The small China cruisers: Three small cruisers ordered in September 1913 that were to be built in 22-26 months from start of construction. Their armament was to be supplied by Skoda. All three were begun by early 1915 but Italian troops seized them on the stocks, when recaptured by the Austrian troops they had very little damage. Plans were envisioned to finish them to a simpler design featuring a revised armament. Original Design: Dimensions: 109,7m x 10,9m x 4m Displacement: 1.800tons standard Engine Power: 30.000shp, 2 shafts Maximum Speed: 59km/h (35knots) Range: Unknown Armour: 0mm Belt, 25mm Deck Armaments: 10x1 100mm Guns 4x1 47mm Guns 2x1 450mm Torpedo Tubes Revised design for the KuK Marine: Dimensions: 109,7m x 10,9m x 4m Displacement: 1.800tons standard Engine Power: 30.000shp, 2 shafts Maximum Speed: 59km/h (35knots) Range: Unknown Armour: 0mm Belt, 25mm Deck Armaments: 4x1 120mm Guns 8x1 66mm Guns 4x1 47mm Guns 2x1 450mm Torpedo Tubes

In 1919 Chief Constructor, Naval Architect and Engineer Rear Admiral David Watson Taylor proposed a series of small battleship designs somewhat comparable to the Swedish Sverige class but have much larger range, firepower and armour and I'm puzzled if these can be even considered Coastal Battleships. Some proposals of these series are not even that small surpassing some of the WW1 battleships in size and displacement! The smallest one displacing 24.000tons while the largest would displace a surprising 37.000tons! Data on the designs as follows: All variants have these in common: Range: 8.000nm at 10knots (14.400km at 19km/h) Armour: 12inch (305mm) Belt and 3,5inch (89mm) Deck Weaponry: 2x2 16inch (406mm) cannons (except scheme D-11 which would carry 2 triple turrets) 4x3 6inch (152mm) guns 2x1 3inch (76mm) AA guns 2x1 underwater torpedo tubes Other data on the designs can be found here: Name Scheme A-7 Scheme B-5 Scheme C-5 Scheme D-11 Scheme E-3 Scheme F-3 Scheme G-1 Scheme H-1 Dimensions 159,1m x 28,19m x 8,08m 177,39m x 28,65m x 8,75m 203m x 28,96m x 9,18m 220,67m x 29,5m x 9,27m 165,2m x 28,8m x 8,23m 156,1m x 26,6m x 7,92m 162,15m x 28,35m x 8,08m 220m x 29,87m x 9,45m Displacement (Standard) 24.000tons 28.500tons 33.400tons 37.000tons 26.250tons 21.500tons 25.000tons 37.750tons Engine Power 28.000shp 2-shafts 56.000shp 4-shafts 86.000shp 4-shafts 120.000shp 4-shafts 30.000shp 2-shafts 16.800shp 2-shafts 29.000shp 2-shafts 120.000shp 4-shafts Maximum Speed 37km/h (20knots) 43km/h (23knots) 48km/h (26knots) 54km/h (29knots) 37km/h (20knots) 33km/h (18knots) 37km/h (20knots) 54km/h (29knots) 6 drawings of the 8 designs: Small Battleship Design Scheme A-7: Small Battleship Design Scheme B-5: Small Battleship Design Scheme C-5: Small Battleship Design Scheme D-11: Small Battleship Design Scheme E-3: Small Battleship Design Scheme F-3: And a Comparison table: Note: EHP means Effective Horse Power and usually it's around half of the Shaft Horse Power or SHP Shaft number is my estimate based on horse power and contemporary battleship designs of the USN with similar power

As I've mentioned in the Fuso Preliminaries thread the IJN used a pretty straightforward system to designate it's various warship classes and subclasses. I've tried to collect as many numbers as I could, searching in the Hiraga Archive, various books, websites, forums and even asking some friends and this is the result: Similarly to the Soviet project numbers, I intend to update it as I find new information. Battleships: A-9 - Satsuma A-14 - Aki A-16 - 20.000t battleship (1906) Improved Satsuma / Kawachi Preliminary? A-30 - Kawachi class A-46-57 - Fuso Preliminaries A-63 - Fuso Preliminary A-64 - Fuso class A-91: Ise preliminary A-92 - Ise class A-102 - Nagato class A-110 - Unknown A-115-126 - Tosa Preliminaries A-127 - Tosa class A-140A,B,C,E,F,G,H,I,J,K,L - Yamato Preliminaries A-140F6 - Yamato class A-150 - "Super Yamato" Battlecruisers: B-12 - Tsukuba class B-15 - Kurama class B-17 - Ibuki class B-39-41 - Kongo Preliminaries B-46 - Kongo class B-58-63 - Amagi Preliminaries B-64 - Amagi class B-65 - Kii class Battleship? B-65 - Large Cruiser Design (Super Type A Cruiser) 1st and 2nd Rate Cruisers: C-7 - Tone class Protected Cruiser C-18 - Chikuma class Protected Cruiser C-19 - Minelayer Cruiser Design C-26 - Tenryu class? Tenryu Preliminary? C-31A - 7000ton Light Cruiser Design 1916 C-32 - Tenryu Preliminary 4100ton design C-33 - Tenryu class? Kuma class? C-37 - Mogami class C-38 - Tone class C-39 - Agano Preliminary C-41-I - 18.000ton 20cm Armed Heavy Cruiser Design 1923 C-41-II - Agano class C-42-I - 15.200ton 20cm Armed Heavy Cruiser Design 1923 C-42-II - Oyodo class C-43 - 7.000ton 14cm Armed Light Cruiser Design 1923 C-44 - Agano-Kai class C-45 - AA cruiser design (Japanese Atlanta) C-46 - Ibuki class 3rd Rate Cruisers: D-1 - Niitaka class Protected Cruisers D-2 - Otawa class Protected Cruisers Gunboats/Escort Ships/Dispatch Vessels: E-4 - Yodo class Dispatch vessels / small protected cruisers E-5 - 250ton Dispatch vessel design E-6 - Mogami Dispatch vessel / small protected cruiser E-7 - 25ton Manchurian Gunboat E-8 - 14ton Manchurian Gunboat E-9 - Saga class E-15 - Shimushu class E-16 - Hashidate class E-16 - Fushimi class E-18 - 2000ton Gunboat design E-19 - Etorofu class E-20A - Mikura class E-20B - Ukuru class E-20C - Hiburi class E-21B - Hei class (Type C) E-22 - Tei class (Type D) Destroyers: F-9 - Umikaze class F-10 - Sakura class F-23 - Kaba class F-24 - Isokaze class F-27 - Momo class F-27A - Enoki/Nara class F-30 - Kawakaze class F-36 - 1320ton Design 1916 F-37 - Momi class F-37A - Momi class (IJN Kiku)? F-37B - Wakatake class F-38 - 1216ton Design 1916 (Improved Wakatake?) F-40A - Yubari Light Cruiser Preliminary? Minekaze Preliminary? F-40B - Yubari Light Cruiser Preliminary? Minekaze Preliminary? F-41A - Minekaze class F-41B - Shiokaze class? Late prodcution Minekaze? F-41B - Kamikaze class? F-41C - ??? F-41C - Kamikaze class? F-41D - Kamikaze class (IJN Oite)?F-41D,D1,D2,D3 - ??? F-41E,E1,E2 - Mutsuki Preliminary F-41E3 - Mutsuki class F-41F - Mutsuki class (IJN Minazuki)? F-41G - Mutsuki class (IJN Mochizuki)? F-42 - Yubari class Light Cruiser F-43 - Fubuki class (Includes Fubuki, Ayanami and Akatsuki) F-45A - Hatsuharu class F-45B - Hatsuharu class (IJN Ariake) F-45C - Hatsuharu class (IJN Yugure) F-45D - Shiratuyu class F-46 - Chidori class Torpedo Boat F-47A - Otori class Torpedo Boat F-47B - Otori class Torpedo Boat (After Tomozoru incident) F-48 - Asashio class F-49 - Kagero class F-50 - Yugumo class F-51A - Akizuki class F-51B - Fuyutsuki class F-52 - Shimakaze class F-53 - Michitsuki class F-55A - Matsu class F-55B - Tachibana class Carriers: B-G1 - Akagi class A-G1 - Kaga class G-5 - 9850-ton light carrier design G-6 - Soryu preliminary G-7 - Ryuho class G-8 - Soryu preliminary G-9 - Soryu class G-10 - Hiryu class G-11 - Shokaku class G-12 - Taiho preliminary G-13 - Taiho class G-14 - 50000-ton carrier design G-15 - Taiho-Kai class G-16 - Unryu class G-17 - Shinano class G-18 - 15.000ton light carrier design Minelayers: H-1 - Itsukushima class H-2 - Shirataka class H-3 - Yaeyama class H-4 - Okinoshima class H-5A - Natsushima class H-5B - Sarushima class H-6 - 200t minelayer design H-7 - 600t minelayer design H-8 - 2.000t netlayer design H-9 - Nisshin class H-10 - Tsugaru class H-11A - Sokuten class H-11B - Hirashima class H-12A - Hatsutaka class H-12B - Wakataka class H-12C - Asadori class H-13 - Ajiro class Minesweepers: I-1 - No. 1 class I-2 - No. 5 class I-3A - No. 13 class I-3B - No. 17 class I-4A - No. 7 class I-4B - No. 19 class I-5 - Auxiliary No. 1 class Auxiliary Ships: J-2A - 10.000tons repair design (Akashi preliminary?) J-2B - Akashi repair ship preliminary J-2C - Akashi class repair ship J-3 - 15.000t oiler design J-4 - 10.000t collier design J-5 - 8.000t submarine tender design J-6 - 1.600t survey ship design J-7 - Taigei class submarine tender J-8 - Tsurugizaki class oiler J-9 - Chitose class seaplane carrier J-10 - Mizuho class seaplane carrier J-11A - Tsukushi class survey ship J-11C - Imporved Tsukushi survey ship design J-12 - Kashino class munition ship J-13 - Nisshin class seaplane carrier J-14 - Kamoi class seaplane carrier J-15 - Small tanker design J-16 - Katori class training light cruiser J-17 - Kinesaki class food supply ship J-18 - Akitsushima class seaplane tender J-19 - Ice breaker design J-20A - Irako class food supply ship preliminary J-20C - Irako class food supply ship J-21 - Hashima class cable layer J-22 - Hospital ship design J-23 - Esan class ice breaker J-26 - Transport ship design J-27 - Improved Tsurugizaki class submarine tender J-31 - landing ship design J-32 - Hakachi class target ship J-33 - Kazahaya class oiler J-34 - Takano class oiler J-35 - 5.500tons food supply ship design J-36 - Ohama class target ship J-37 - No. 1 class landing ship J-39 - No. 101 class landing ship Submarine Chasers: K-3 - No. 1 class K-4 - No. 3 class K-5A - Auxiliary No. 251 class K-5B - Auxiliary No. 253 class K-7 - No. 4 class K-8A - No. 13 class K-8B - No. 28 class K-8C - No. 60 class Submarines: S-7 - Kaichu I (Ro-11) S-8A - Kaichu II (Ro-13) S-8B - Kaichu III (Ro-16) S-8-2 - 1400ton Medium Sized Submarine Design 1916 S-13 - 1400ton Medium Sized Submarine Design 1916 S-14 - 1400ton Medium Sized Submarine Design 1916 S-18A - Kaichu IV (Ro-26) S-18B - Kaichu V (Ro-29) S-22 - Kaidai I (I-51) S-25 - Kaidai II (I-152)S-26 - Kaidai IIIa (I-153) S-27 - Kaidai IIIb (I-156) S-28 - Kaidai IV (I-161) S-29 - Kaidai V (I-165)S-30 - Kaichu VI (Ro-33) S-31 - Kaidai VIa (I-168) S-32 - Junsen II (I-6) S-33 - Junsen III (I-7) S-34 - Kaidai VIb (I-174)S-35A - Junsen Ko (I-9) (Junsen Ko Gata A1) S-35B - Junsen Ko Kai 1 (I-12) (Junsen Ko Gata A2) S-35C - Junsen Ko Kai 2 (I-13) (JJunsen Ko Gata AM) S-37A - Junsen Otsu (I-15) (Junsen Otsu Gata B1) S-37B - Junsen Otsu Kai 1 (I-40) (Junsen Otsu Gata B2)S-37C - Junsen Otsu Kai 2 (I-54) (Junsen Otsu Gata B3) S-37D - Junsen Hei Kai (I-52) (Junsen Hei Gata C3) S-38A - Junsen Hei (I-16) (Junsen Hei Gata C1) S-38B - Junsen Hei (I-46) (Junsen Hei Gata C2) S-41 - Kaidai VII (I-176) S-44 - Kaichu VII (Ro-35) S-45 - Ko (Ro-100)S-48 - Improved Junsen Ko (Junsen Ko Gata A3?) S-49A - Improved Junsen Otsu (Junsen Otsu Gata B4) S-49B - Improved Junsen Hei (Junsen Hei Gata C4)S-50 - Sen Toku (I-400) S-51A - Sen-Tei (I-361)(Sen Tei Gata D1) S-51B - Sen-Teu Kai (I-372)(Sen Tei Gata D1 mod) S-51C - Tei Kai (I-373)(Sen Tei Gata D2) S-56 - Sen Taka (I-201) S-56B - Sen Taka (I-207) S-57 - Sen-Yu Ko (Ha-101) S-60 - Tei Kai 2 (Sen Tei Gata D2 mod) design S-117 - Asashio class S-118 - Uzushio class S-119 - Uzushio class (Isoshio Group) S-119A - Uzushio class (Takashio Group) S-122 - Yushio class S-123 - Yushio class (Nadashio Group) S-126 - Harushio class S-129 - Harushio class (Asashio Group) S-130 - Oyashio class S-131 - Soryu class In Development: V-6 - Shimakaze-Kai (Super Shimakaze) V-7 - Akizuki-Kai (Super Akizuki) V-16 - Super Type A cruiser (B-65) V-17 - Agano-kai (C-44) V-18 - Anti-aircraft Cruiser V-22A - Improved Junsen Otsu (Junsen Otsu Gata B4) (S-49A) V-22B - Improved Junsen Hei (Junsen Hei Gata C4)(S-49B) V-28 - Improved Junsen Ko (Junsen Ko Gata A3?) (S-48)

Added the Cold war and modern Submarine classes which I've found design number for.

These are for the post-War Fleet. What you are talking about is the Ersatz Zenta class light cruiser design

Do this book have drawings and data about the light and "heavy" cruiser designs as well? Like the Monfalcone designs for China and later for the KUK Marine?

In 1908 the Italian shipbuilding company Ansaldo prepared 3 different designs for the Russian Imperial Navy. Al of the designs featured 305mm cannons in various number of triple turrets ranging from 4 to 6, 120mm casemated secondary guns, light armour with a maximum thickness of 203mm (8inch) belt and 38-102mm (1,5-4inch) deck armour on 21.650-23.000 tons. I know nothing about their history but I assume they were proposed for the new Russian battleships which eventually became the Gangut class. Also it could be part of the designs offered for Argentina as well: http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/7857-ansaldo-design-1908/ Here are the data: Version A Dimensions: 176m x 28m x 8,15mDisplacement: 23.000tons standardEngine Power: UnknownMaximum Speed: 39km/h (21knots) Armour: Belt: 203mm (127mm forward, 152mm aft), 102mm Upper belt Deck: 102mm (38mm+25mm+38mm (slopes)) Conning tower: 256mm Anti-Torpedo Bulkhead: 51mmArmaments:6x3 305mm Cannons 16x1 120mm Casemated Guns 4x1 47mm AA Guns (or saluting guns?) 8x1 13mm Machine Guns 4x1 457mm Submerged Torpedo Tubes Version B Dimensions: 167m x 27m x 8,15mDisplacement: 21.650tons standardEngine Power: UnknownMaximum Speed: 39km/h (21,25knots) Armour: Belt: 203mm (127mm forward, 152mm aft), 102mm Upper belt Deck: 102mm (38mm+25mm+38mm (slopes)) Conning tower: 256mm Anti-Torpedo Bulkhead: 51mmArmaments:4x3 305mm Cannons 16x1 120mm Casemated Guns 4x1 47mm AA Guns (or saluting guns?) 8x1 13mm Machine Guns 4x1 457mm Submerged Torpedo Tubes Version C Dimensions: 178m x 27m x 8,15mDisplacement: 22.000tons standardEngine Power: UnknownMaximum Speed: 39km/h (21,25knots) Armour: Belt: 203mm (127mm forward, 152mm aft), 102mm Upper belt Deck: 102mm (38mm+25mm+38mm (slopes)) Conning tower: 256mm Anti-Torpedo Bulkhead: 51mmArmaments:4x3 305mm Cannons 16x1 120mm Casemated Guns 4x1 47mm AA Guns (or saluting guns?) 8x1 13mm Machine Guns 4x1 457mm Submerged Torpedo Tubes

And this topic still in the wrong thread

Well in beta they had 30cm cannons which you could change to 36cm ones.

Her Majesty's Ship Barham. A Queen Elizabeth class Battleship of the Royal Navy somewhere en route in 1938's or 1939's in the Mediterranean.

L.O.L!! You are young in this world my friend Myogi name is created by the developers, no such IJN ship ever named after this mountain. It is an official design though, one of the Kongo preliminaries. Actually Myogi is design B-41 (Kongo was B-46) Here: (Tell me if the links are working or not!)

Still wrong thread. Why people do not learn???

Only that the first Habakkuk was destined for the Atlantic Ocean not the Pacific and not against the Japanese but against the German Submarines

Similar to Canada and the RCN, Australia and the RAN had it's own warship projects. Here I post the larger ships, the cruisers. To my knowledge, the Royal Australian Navy had two cruiser projects, one is indigenous while the other is an RN DNC (Director of Naval Construction). First the indigenous project proposed by the Cockatoo Naval Yard (Cockatoo Island, Sydney Harbour) in 1924. Two ships to be built to replace the decommissioned and scuttled battlecruiser HMAS Australia as part of the "Empire protection plan". This plan including, to protect trade routes near Australia, and to provide their contribution to defence of the Commonwealth Empire as a whole. The design itself would resemble a significantly modified Hawkins class cruiser, with a similar hull shape and armour layout. Difference include the use of either 3 triple or 4 twin turrets, 2 more boilers in a different layout and a slightly modified superstructure and bridge. While Australia have the accurate data about the Hawkins class but at this time the Counties were still under development and thus information on them was scarce. Armaments:3 triple turrets housing 8inch (203mm) guns or alternatively: 4 twin turrets housing the same guns12x1 5inch (127mm) guns in casemates 6 per beam in a casemate deck from abreast the bridge to just forward of C turret, in a 4-cornered arrangement s 4-4 can fire forward and aft with a single on each beam abreast the forward stack, and a single on each beam abreast the mainmast. As the British did not developed 5inch calibre weapons at this time the only possible option was the US made Mark 7.4x 4inch AA guns on a raised platform with the mainmast in the middle of it.4x 21inch Torpedo Tubes all submerged under the bridge, 2 port 2 starboard. Triple turrets are considered bacuse at this time the Admirality considered such turrets for the Counties but later not pursued the idea. Specifications:Displacement: 10,000tons (probably light or empty)Dimensions: 192m x 20.87m x 5.25mPropulsion: 90,000shp 2 shaftsSpeed: 61km/h (33knots) Other Information:The CA design was done quickly, as a sketch design by Cockatoo and Walsh Island designers to start work on cost estimates for the construction of such ships in Australia. At this point in time the Counties were still in early design stage, and therefore the designers had little or no data on them. Apparently they did have full drawings for the Hawkins class - the nearest thing to a modern 10,000 ton CA that they had available. So they used an expanded version of the design, with data from Vickers on the planned triple 8" turret. Also at that time there was a modernisation proposal of the Hawkins class to be equipped with 3 twin 8inch gun turrets.Another variant states from 1925 is that the same hull of the HMS Kent, Displacement of Light load draft under Washington Standard: 10000 tons. Engine power was 80,000shp, no data for speed but changed armament of 4x2 8inch, 4x1 4inch AA guns, 2 Pom Poms, 4x1 3 pounder saluting guns and two quadruple above water torpedo launchers.In the end, it was the expense of building these ships in Australia to a unique design that cancelled them in favour of buying two Kent class 8" cruisers "off-the-shelf" from UK shipyards in 1925. From the page 80 of the book: Cockatoo Island: Sydney's Historic Dockyard:http://books.google.hu/books?id=1ulc79wlY54C&printsec=frontcover&hl=hu#v=onepage&q=cruiser&f=false And my idea based on the drawing and the discussions on the previous incarnation of this Forum: Weapons are slightly different mostly in AA and torpedo terms.

Found together with the Design 866 Heavy Cruiser. This is a distinct variant of the O3 (Nelson) class battleships, only visual difference is the revised placement of the secondary turrets more forward, and the AA guns aft, together with the lack of torpedo armament. Dimensions: 204,22m x 32m x 9,14mDisplacement: 35.000tons standard, 39.500tons fullEngine Power: 52.000shp, 2 shaftsMaximum Speed: 44km/h (24knots) Maximum Range: 16.700km on 26km/h (9.000nm on 14knots)Armour: Belt: 356mm, Deck: 121mm (Machinery) 184mm (Magazines)Armaments:3x3 406mm Cannons6x2 152mm Guns 6x1 120mm AA Guns

My knowledge on the history of these designs are limited but I know that after World War I, the Admirality wanted to build new generation of capital ships, both battleships and battlecruisers taking into account recent development of warship construction, weaponry and technology together with war experience especially the battle of Jutland taking into account. Design of new capital ships started in late 1919 and ended when the Washington Naval treaty forbid the construction of new Capital ships with some exceptions. Among these, the final versions which were considered to be built were the G3 class battlecruisers and N3 class battleships These ships would be large fast and heavily armed. Here I post data and if available drawings of the battlecruiser proposals of the RN after WW1: The letters usually lack much logic but the numbers show the number of barrels per turret. The last two rows include Vickers's own export design for Spain which would be similar to these proposals though some sources say they would be similar to the Admiral class battlecruisers. Designation K2 K3 J3 I3 H3a H3b H3c G3 F2 F3 Vickers Design 788A Vickers Design 788B Displacement 53.100tons 52.000tons 43.100tons 51.750tons 44.500tons 45.000tons 46.500tons 53.900tons 35.000tons 35.000tons 46.000tons 39.000tons Dimensions 270 x 32,3 x 10,4m 270 x 32,3 x 10,2m 262 x 31,7 x 9,1m 282 x 33 x 10,2m 262 x 32 x 10,2m 262 x 32,3 x 10,2m 262 x 31,7 x 10,2m 261 x 32,3 x 10,2m 231,65 x 32,3 x 10,4m 225,55 x 32,3 x 8,7m 271,27 x 31,7 x 9,3m 246,9 x 31 x 8,84m Engine Power / Speed 144.000shp, 4 shafts 56km/h 144.000shp, 4 shafts 56km/h 151.000shp, 4 shafts 59km/h 180.000shp, 4 shafts 60km/h 180.000shp, 4 shafts 62km/h 180.000shp, 4 shafts 62km/h 180.000shp, 4 shafts 63km/h 160.000shp, 4 shafts 59km/h 112.000shp, 4 shafts 56km/h 96.000shp, 4 shafts 53km/h 180.000shp, 4 shafts 61km/h 140.000shp, 4 shafts 57km/h Armour Belt: 305mm Deck: 203mm Belt: 305mm Deck: 203mm Belt: 305mm Deck: 102mm Belt: 305mm Deck: 203mm Belt: 356mm Deck: 229mm Belt: 356mm Deck: 229mm Belt: 356mm Deck: 229mm Belt: 356mm Deck: 203mm Belt: 330mm Deck: 178mm Belt: 305mm Deck: 178mm Belt: 305mm Deck: 102mm Belt: 305mm Deck: 102mm Main Armament 457mm Mark II (4x2) 457mm Mark II (3x3) 457mm Mark I (4x2) 457mm Mark II (3x3) 457mm Mark II (2x3) 457mm Mark II (2x3) 457mm Mark II (2x3) 406mm Mark I (3x3) 381mm Mark I (3x2) 381mm Mark I (3x3) 381mm Mark I (3x3) 381mm Mark I (3x2) Secondary Armament 152mm Mark XXII (8x2) 152mm Mark XXII (8x2) 152mm Mark XXII (6x2) 152mm Mark XXII (8x2) 152mm Mark XXII (8x2) 152mm Mark XXII (8x2) 152mm Mark XXII (8x2) 152mm Mark XXII (8x2) 152mm Mark XXII (6x2) 152mm Mark XXII (4x2) 140mm Mark I (12x1) 140mm Mark I (12x1) Heavy AA Armament 120mm Mark VIII (6x1) 120mm Mark VIII (6x1) 120mm Mark VIII (6x1) 120mm Mark VIII (5x1) 120mm Mark VIII (5x1) 120mm Mark VIII (5x1) 120mm Mark VIII (5x1) 120mm Mark VIII (6x1) 120mm Mark VIII (6x1) 120mm Mark VIII (6x1) 102mm Mark V (4x1) 102mm Mark V (4x1) Light AA Armament 40mm Mark VIII (10x4) 40mm Mark VIII (10x4) 40mm Mark VIII (10x4) 40mm Mark VIII (10x4) 40mm Mark VIII (10x4) 40mm Mark VIII (10x4) 40mm Mark VIII (10x4) 40mm Mark VIII (4x8) 40mm Mark VIII (10x4) 40mm Mark VIII (10x4) Unknown Unknown Other 622mm (2x1) Torpedo tubes 622mm (2x1) Torpedo tubes 622mm (2x1) Torpedo tubes 622mm (2x1) Torpedo tubes 622mm (2x1) Torpedo tubes 622mm (2x1) Torpedo tubes 622mm (2x1) Torpedo tubes 622mm (2x1) Torpedo tubes Often the names associated for the 4 G3 class vessels are: HMS Invincible HMS Indomitable HMS Inflexible HMS Indefatigable K2,K3 and J3: I3, H3a and H3b: H3C and G3: F2 and F3: And a top view comparison of the battleship and battlecruiser designs: Sadly there is no drawing survived which shows the Vickers export designs for Spain.

I know nothing about the history of this small battleship apart it is somewhat comparable to the coastal battleships of other navies and have one innovative feature: aft mounted funnels, giving space between the turrets, in this case aircraft facilities. Information on the design: Design date: somewhere in the 1930/40's possibly 1932 Dimensions: UnknownDisplacement: UnknownEngine Power: Unknown, possibly 2 shaftsMaximum Speed: Unknown Maximum Range: UnknownArmour: Belt: 356mm, Deck: 102mm (or 51-152mm)Armaments:2x3 356mm Cannons6x1 127mm AA Guns 2x seaplanes

In my opinion they still remained Battlecruisers, the extra deck armour did not warrant a reclassification I think. Also a Fast Battleship is the evolution or mixture of the Battlecruiser and Battleship in my point of view. Same way a Large cruiser is essentially a battlecruiser as well. Though I use the term big gun cruiser for the Pocket battleship type vessels like the Deutschland class or other similar proposals of various navies

So many errors... Congo??? Really?? And she still not a battleship, she is a battlecruiser more comparable with the Renown class!

My knowledge on the history of these designs are limited but I know that after World War I, the Admirality wanted to build new generation of capital ships, both battleships and battlecruisers taking into account recent development of warship construction, weaponry and technology together with war experience especially the battle of Jutland taking into account. Design of new capital ships started in late 1919 and ended when the Washington Naval treaty forbid the construction of new Capital ships with some exceptions. Among these, the final versions which were considered to be built were the G3 class battlecruisers and N3 class battleships. In the end out of 4 ships only the 2 Nelsons were built which was allowed by treaty as Great Britain did not had any 406mm (16inch) armed battleships. These ships would be large fast and heavily armed. Here I post data and if available drawings of the battleship proposals of the RN after WW1: The letters usually lack much logic but the numbers show the number of barrels per turret. The last row include Vickers's own export design for Japan for Rear Admiral Hiraga Yuzuru. You can find the thread here: http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/4173-design-873-battleship/ Designation L2 L3 M2 M3 N3 O3 (Nelson as built) O3 (Nelson modernisation proposal) P3 Q3 Vickers Design 873 Displacement 52.100tons 51.100tons 48.750tons 46.000tons 48.500tons 41.250tons 44.000tons 48.000tons 48.000tons 39.500tons Dimensions 262 x 32,3 x 10,2m 262 x 32,3 x 10m 249 x 32,3 x 10m 236 x 32,3 x 10m 250 x 32,3 x 10,1m 216,4 x 32,3 x 10,2m 216,4 x 32,3 x 10,2m 218,54 x 31,7 x 9,14m 218,54 x 31,7 x 9,14m 204,22 x 32 x 9,14m Engine Power / Speed 70.000shp, 2shafts 46km/h 70.000shp, 2shafts 46km/h 56.000shp, 2shafts 44km/h 56.000shp, 2shafts 44km/h 50.000shp, 2shafts 44km/h 45.000shp, 2shafts 43km/h 45.000shp, 2shafts 43km/h 45.000shp, 2shafts 43km/h 45.000shp, 2shafts 43km/h 52.000shp, 2shafts 44km/h Armour Belt: 381mm Deck: 203mm Belt: 381mm Deck: 203mm Belt: 381mm Deck: 203mm Belt: 381mm Deck: 203mm Belt: 381mm Deck: 203mm Belt: 356mm Deck: 159mm Belt: 356mm Deck: 159mm Belt: 356mm Deck: 203mm Belt: 356mm Deck: 203mm Belt: 356mm Deck: 184mm Main Armament 457mm Mark II (4x2) 457mm Mark II (3x3) 457mm Mark II (4x2) 457mm Mark II (3x3) 457mm Mark II (3x3) 406mm Mark I (3x3) 406mm Mark I (3x3) 381mm Mark I (3x3) 381mm Mark I (3x3) 406mm Mark I (3x3) Secondary Armament 152mm Mark XXII (8x2) 152mm Mark XXII (8x2) 152mm Mark XXII (8x2) 152mm Mark XXII (8x2) 152mm Mark XXII (8x2) 152mm Mark XXII (6x2) 133mm Mark I (6x2) 152mm Mark XXII (6x2) 152mm Mark XXII (6x2) 152mm Mark XXII (6x2) Heavy AA Armament 120mm Mark VIII (6x1) 120mm Mark VIII (6x1) 120mm Mark VIII (5x1) 120mm Mark VIII (5x1) 120mm Mark VIII (6x1) 120mm Mark VIII (6x1) 114mm Mark III (6x2) 120mm Mark VIII (6x1) 120mm Mark VIII (6x1) 120mm Mark VIII (6x1) Light AA Armament 40mm Mark VIII (4x10) 40mm Mark VIII (4x10) 40mm Mark VIII (2x10) 40mm Mark VIII (2x10) 40mm Mark VIII (4x10) 40mm Mark II (8x1) 40mm Mark VIII (6x8) 20mm Mark I (61x1) 40mm Mark VIII (4x10) 40mm Mark VIII (4x10) 40mm Mark VIII (4x8) Other 622mm (2x1) Torpedo tubes 622mm (2x1) Torpedo tubes 622mm (2x1) Torpedo tubes 622mm (2x1) Torpedo tubes 622mm (2x1) Torpedo tubes 622mm (2x1) Torpedo tubes 622mm (2x1) Torpedo tubes 1x Walrus Floatplane 622mm (2x1) Torpedo tubes 622mm (2x1) Torpedo tubes Often the names associated for the 4 N3 class vessels are: HMS St. Andrew HMS St. George HMS St. David HMS St. Patrick The 4 patron saints of England, Wales, Scotland and Ireland L2 and L3: L3, M2 and M3: N3: O3, P3 and Q3: Vickers design: And a top view comparison of the battleship and battlecruiser designs:

You guys are all wrong but this thread is not for Tier conversations

Never heard of the design. Does it an improved Maestrale class? Or a proposed subclass?