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  1. Tzoli

    Kongo Repalcement Battleship design

    And the final 35.000ton versions: Design A: https://www.deviantart.com/tzoli/art/Kongo-Replacement-Design-35K-Variant-A-809295225 Design B: https://www.deviantart.com/tzoli/art/Kongo-Replacement-Design-35K-Variant-B-809419491 Design C: https://www.deviantart.com/tzoli/art/Kongo-Replacement-Design-35K-Variant-C-809547068 Final Design X: https://www.deviantart.com/tzoli/art/Final-Kongo-Replacement-35K-Design-X-809674819
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    Kongo Repalcement Battleship design

    Continuing with the most numerous desings the 30.000ton versions: Design A: https://www.deviantart.com/tzoli/art/Kongo-Replacement-Design-30K-Variant-A-734482584 Design B: https://www.deviantart.com/tzoli/art/Kongo-Replacement-Design-30K-Variant-B-808509107 Design C: https://www.deviantart.com/tzoli/art/Kongo-Replacement-Design-30K-Variant-C-808917965 Design D: https://www.deviantart.com/tzoli/art/Kongo-Replacement-Design-30K-Variant-D-809044948 Design E: https://www.deviantart.com/tzoli/art/Kongo-Replacement-Design-30K-Variant-E-809172337
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    Kongo Repalcement Battleship design

    Yes that was 5 years ago. If you check the Japanese documents there are no designations so I have free reign however I want to designate them. http://gazo.dl.itc.u-tokyo.ac.jp/hiraga2/show/id/20680101#?c=0&m=0&s=0&cv=0&xywh=1103%2C-688%2C1777%2C3085&r=270 This time I went with increasing calibre.
  4. Tzoli

    Kongo Repalcement Battleship design

    Now the 25.000ton versions: Design A: https://www.deviantart.com/tzoli/art/Kongo-Replacement-Design-25K-Variant-A-806687265 Design B: https://www.deviantart.com/tzoli/art/Kongo-Replacement-Design-25K-Variant-B-806816178 Design C: https://www.deviantart.com/tzoli/art/Kongo-Replacement-Design-25K-Variant-C-807075505
  5. Tzoli

    Kongo Repalcement Battleship design

    Check the DA links there is all the info I could find. And don't use mobile phone for it.
  6. Tzoli

    Kongo Repalcement Battleship design

    Not sure if anyone cares for this on this forum, but here are the Kongo Replacement designs. First the 20.000ton versions: Version A: https://www.deviantart.com/tzoli/art/Kongo-Replacement-Design-20K-Variant-A-805798475 Version B: https://www.deviantart.com/tzoli/art/Kongo-Replacement-Design-20K-Variant-B-806186617
  7. Tzoli

    Wargaming Wiki Feedback - Search Not Working.

    Still not working on the forums. I cannot search for users for example but some words do work like Yamato or Battleship.
  8. Tzoli

    Japanese T10 battleship Shirane

    Yes?
  9. You can read some history in this article: https://warshipprojects.wordpress.com/2018/04/24/the-yamato-class-genesis/ But here are the actual designs: The first series: Yamato Preliminary Design A-140: https://www.deviantart.com/tzoli/art/Yamato-Preliminary-Design-A-140-742537189 The largest, strongest, most heavily armed and armoured battleship ever to float the world oceans the Yamato class started it's design life as an even larger ship with a length close to 300meters, an all forward main gun arrangement but similar weaponry and armour. The Superstructure and the deck structures were different in this early phase of development but the tall pagoda style superstructure was evident which was later redesigned. This ship would had been a fast vessel with 57km/h (31knots) top speed, good range and excellent stability! Design choices can be seen here: to protect the AA guns both heavy and light as well as the the aircrafts, the main guns and secondary guns concentrated on the ends of the hull putting their blast effects far from these sensitive equipment. The aircrafts were stored in a protected hanger under the deck and behind the 155mm turrets with a ramp serving as an access to the catapults. The Light AA guns mounted high on the superstructure to provide clear arcs of fire as well as distance from the main guns blasts. Similar was the decision to put the boat storage under the hull but still outside of it at the aft parts and both sides of the main deck similarly on what was chosen for the Yamato, only difference is the size, as this was a larger ship the boat storage was much longer. While this was the very first design leading to the Yamato class, it was the only one to feature the 50 calibre 46cm cannons. After evaluating the design it was found (among other things) that the Arms industry of Japan could not produce such long barrelled guns hence the change to the 45 calibre one on the later designs. Other critical points were the large size both hull length and displacement wise as there were no docks capable holding the vessel for outfit, refit or repair works. I've choose fully enclosed 127mm gun turrets as to not protect them from blast effect (Though at extreme aft firing the 3rd turret's gun might effect them! ) but to protect them from light bombs and strafing fire of enemy aircraft. Angled funnel of the Yamato because all the boilers were located under the tower like pagoda superstructure with the turbines behind them. The design had the following characteristics: Dimensions: 294 (wl) x 41,2 x 10,4m Displacement: 69.500tons (standard) Armour: 230mm Deck, 430mm Belt (Immunity against own 46cm shells between 20.0000 and 30.000m) inclined to 25 degrees Engines: 200.000shp, 4 shafts, Steam Turbines Speed: 57km/h (31knots) Range: 14.800km at 33km/h (8.000nm at 18knots) Armaments: 3x3 46cm/50 Type 94 Cannons, 4x3 15,5cm/60 Type 90 Guns 6x2 127mm/40 Type 89 DP-AA guns 8x2 25mm/60 Type 96 AA Guns 6x Seaplanes (I choose Nakajima E8N Dave and Aichi E10A Hank planes) Data table showing the various variants: i.imgur.com/zsBKwfN.jpg i.imgur.com/7QUJxvp.jpg Yamato Preliminary Design A-140A: https://www.deviantart.com/tzoli/art/Yamato-Preliminary-Design-A-140A-744033811 After the very first Yamato design was born a slightly redesigned version was created designated A-140A. Shorter hull and reduced speed of a knot, but rather a turbine only propulsion, a mixed steam and diesel (COSAD if you like) was chosen which increased the range of the ship considerably by more than 2.000km or 1.200nm. Other than these changes the general layout of all the weaponry remained unchanged only they placed slightly closer to each other due to the reduced length of the hull The design had the following characteristics: Dimensions: 277 (wl) x 40,4 x 10,3m Displacement: 68.000tons (standard) Armour: 230mm Deck, 430mm Belt (Immunity against own 46cm shells between 20.0000 and 30.000m) inclined to 25 degrees Engines: 200.000shp, 4 shafts, Combined Steam Turbines (132.000shp) and Diesel engines (68.000shp) Speed: 56km/h (30knots) Range: 17.000km at 33km/h (9.200nm at 18knots) Armaments: 3x3 46cm/50 Type 94 Cannons, 4x3 15,5cm/60 Type 90 Guns 8x2 127mm/40 Type 89 DP-AA guns 8x2 25mm/60 Type 96 AA Guns 6x Seaplanes (I choose Nakajima E8N Dave and Aichi E10A Hank planes) Data table showing the various variants: And drawing of the proposal: Yamato Preliminary Design A-140A1: https://www.deviantart.com/tzoli/art/Yamato-Preliminary-Design-A-140A1-744589378 When the A subvariant of the A-140 design process finished, two further variants were made showing the effects and looks of different layouts of the weaponry. On variant A1 the 3 triple turrets were distributed in a classical way of two forward, one aft and secondary turrets adjusted accordingly to provide the broadside of at least 3 turrets. AA layout was changed resulting in a broadside of 6 turrets out of 8 which is superior to the previous 4 out of 8 layout. Otherwise hull size, engine power and type did not changed compared to the A design The design had the following characteristics: (same as Design A-140A) Dimensions: 277 (wl) x 40,4 x 10,3m Displacement: 68.000tons (standard) Armour: 230mm Deck, 430mm Belt (Immunity against own 46cm shells between 20.0000 and 30.000m) inclined to 25 degrees Engines: 200.000shp, 4 shafts, Combined Steam Turbines (132.000shp) and Diesel engines (68.000shp) Speed: 56km/h (30knots) Range: 17.000km at 33km/h (9.200nm at 18knots) Armaments: 3x3 46cm/50 Type 94 Cannons, 4x3 15,5cm/60 Type 90 Guns 8x2 127mm/40 Type 89 DP-AA guns 8x2 25mm/60 Type 96 AA Guns 6x Seaplanes (I choose Nakajima E8N Dave and Aichi E10A Hank planes) Data table showing the various variants: http://i.imgur.com/zsBKwfN.jpg http://i.imgur.com/GUdpUUa.jpg http://i.imgur.com/7QUJxvp.jpg http://i.imgur.com/3uEULbm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/1VtNLLL.jpg And drawing of the proposal: http://i.imgur.com/O89LUI0.jpg Yamato Preliminary Design A-140A2: https://www.deviantart.com/tzoli/art/Yamato-Preliminary-Design-A-140A2-745216267 On variant A2 the 3 triple turrets were changed to 4 twin ones distributed evenly forward and aft in superfiring pairs. While the firepower was reduced by a single barrel this layout allowed for a better firing pattern of the main guns making ranging shots much better than with 3 triple turrets. Compared to the A and A1 variants on A2 the AA layout was again changed with 3-3 twin gun mounts per side and the rest are located aft of the bridge and aft of aftermost superstructure resulting in an even better AA broadside or 10 guns out of 16 The design had the following characteristics: (same as Design A-140A) Dimensions: 277 (wl) x 40,4 x 10,3m Displacement: 68.000tons (standard) Armour: 230mm Deck, 430mm Belt (Immunity against own 46cm shells between 20.0000 and 30.000m) Engines: 200.000shp, 4 shafts, Combined Steam Turbines (132.000shp) and Diesel engines (68.000shp) Speed: 56km/h (30knots) Range: 17.000km at 33km/h (9.200nm at 18knots) Armaments: 4x2 46cm/50 Type 94 Cannons, 4x3 15,5cm/60 Type 90 Guns 8x2 127mm/40 Type 89 DP-AA guns 8x2 25mm/60 Type 96 AA Guns 6x Seaplanes (I choose Nakajima E8N Dave and Aichi E10A Hank planes) Data table showing the various variants: http://i.imgur.com/zsBKwfN.jpg http://i.imgur.com/GUdpUUa.jpg http://i.imgur.com/7QUJxvp.jpg http://i.imgur.com/3uEULbm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/1VtNLLL.jpg And drawing of the proposal: http://i.imgur.com/3rUVNbf.jpg Yamato Preliminary Design A-140B: https://www.deviantart.com/tzoli/art/Yamato-Preliminary-Design-A-140B-745811009 While the very first Yamato preliminary the A-140 was a large and fast ship with an all steam turbine propulsion and the A variants were smaller and slightly slower designs with a mixed Diesel and Steam Turbine propulsion the B variants were even smaller and thus slower proposals but with a full Diesel propulsion system which seemed ideal for a Navy to travel long distances on the surface of the Pacific Ocean like the Imperial Japanese Navy. These designs were 30m shorter than the A variants but maintain the same armour, armament and general layout though the lack of a large funnel meant a considerable space could be allocated on the centreline thus the concentrated heavy AA weaponry there. The design had the following characteristics: Dimensions: 247 (wl) x 40,4 x 10,3m Displacement: 60.000tons (standard) Armour: 230mm Deck, 430mm Belt (Immunity against own 46cm shells between 20.0000 and 30.000m) inclined to 25 degrees Engines: 140.000shp, 4 shafts, Diesel engines Speed: 52km/h (28knots) Range: 17.000km at 33km/h (9.200nm at 18knots) Armaments: 3x3 46cm/50 Type 94 Cannons, 4x3 15,5cm/60 Type 90 Guns 8x2 127mm/40 Type 89 DP-AA guns 8x2 25mm/60 Type 96 AA Guns 6x Seaplanes (I choose Nakajima E8N Dave and Aichi E10A Hank planes) Data table showing the various variants: http://i.imgur.com/zsBKwfN.jpg http://i.imgur.com/GUdpUUa.jpg http://i.imgur.com/7QUJxvp.jpg http://i.imgur.com/3uEULbm.jpg i.imgur.com/1VtNLLL.jpg And drawing of the proposal: i.imgur.com/3rUVNbf.jpg Yamato Preliminary Design A-140B1: https://www.deviantart.com/tzoli/art/Yamato-Preliminary-Design-A-140B1-746145207 Similar to the A-140A1 version, the B1 variant is the all diesel version of that proposals on the same shortened hull as on A-140B with the conventional layout of 2 main turrets forward, 1 aft, and the associated changes to the secondary 155mm armament as well as the 127mm heavy AA armament creating a compact looking battleship. The design had the following characteristics: (same as Design A-140B) Dimensions: 247 (wl) x 40,4 x 10,3m Displacement: 60.000tons (standard) Armour: 230mm Deck, 430mm Belt (Immunity against own 46cm shells between 20.0000 and 30.000m) inclined to 25 degrees Engines: 140.000shp, 4 shafts, Diesel engines Speed: 52km/h (28knots) Range: 17.000km at 33km/h (9.200nm at 18knots) Armaments: 3x3 46cm/50 Type 94 Cannons, 4x3 15,5cm/60 Type 90 Guns 8x2 127mm/40 Type 89 DP-AA guns 8x2 25mm/60 Type 96 AA Guns 6x Seaplanes (I choose Nakajima E8N Dave and Aichi E10A Hank planes) Data table showing the various variants: http://i.imgur.com/zsBKwfN.jpg http://i.imgur.com/GUdpUUa.jpg http://i.imgur.com/7QUJxvp.jpg http://i.imgur.com/3uEULbm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/1VtNLLL.jpg And drawing of the proposal: i.imgur.com/QwxWHPK.jpg Yamato Preliminary Design A-140B2: https://www.deviantart.com/tzoli/art/Yamato-Preliminary-Design-A-140B2-746278041 Like how the B1 version was the Diesel propelled smaller variant of the A-140A1, the B2 variant was the same all diesel smaller version of the A2 variant: 4 twin turrets distributed evenly forward and aft together with the changes in the secondary armament. AA layout is the same as on the plain B variant. The design had the following characteristics: (same as Design A-140B) Dimensions: 247 (wl) x 40,4 x 10,3m Displacement: 60.000tons (standard) Armour: 230mm Deck, 430mm Belt (Immunity against own 46cm shells between 20.0000 and 30.000m) inclined to 25 degrees Engines: 140.000shp, 4 shafts, Diesel engines Speed: 52km/h (28knots) Range: 17.000km at 33km/h (9.200nm at 18knots) Armaments: 4x2 46cm/50 Type 94 Cannons, 4x3 15,5cm/60 Type 90 Guns 8x2 127mm/40 Type 89 DP-AA guns 8x2 25mm/60 Type 96 AA Guns 6x Seaplanes (I choose Nakajima E8N Dave and Aichi E10A Hank planes) Data table showing the various variants: http://i.imgur.com/zsBKwfN.jpg http://i.imgur.com/GUdpUUa.jpg http://i.imgur.com/7QUJxvp.jpg http://i.imgur.com/3uEULbm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/1VtNLLL.jpg And drawing of the proposal: http://i.imgur.com/QwxWHPK.jpg Yamato Preliminary Design A-140C: https://www.deviantart.com/tzoli/art/Yamato-Preliminary-Design-A-140C-746759332 While for the previous designs there were sketch drawings I could use to make my drawings starting with the C variant I could only use others imaginations and ideas of how the various designs would look like. Except for the Design A-140 as I did not found a sketch for it as well only for A-140A. Now about the actual design. Version C is literally a copy of the plain B variant but with a reduced engine output and thus a slower speed. A true slow battleship though the saved weight was only 2.000tons due to the smaller engines installed. I've slightly changed the AA layout to look different and not as the same as the B version. The design had the following characteristics: Dimensions: 247 (wl) x 40,4 x 10,2m Displacement: 58.000tons (standard) Armour: 230mm Deck, 430mm Belt (Immunity against own 46cm shells between 20.0000 and 30.000m) inclined to 25 degrees Engines: 105.000shp, 4 shafts, Diesel engines Speed: 48km/h (26knots) Range: 17.000km at 33km/h (9.200nm at 18knots) Armaments: 3x3 46cm/50 Type 94 Cannons, 4x3 15,5cm/60 Type 90 Guns 8x2 127mm/40 Type 89 DP-AA guns 8x2 25mm/60 Type 96 AA Guns 6x Seaplanes (I choose Nakajima E8N Dave and Aichi E10A Hank planes) Data table showing the various variants: http://i.imgur.com/zsBKwfN.jpg http://i.imgur.com/GUdpUUa.jpg http://i.imgur.com/7QUJxvp.jpg http://i.imgur.com/3uEULbm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/1VtNLLL.jpg Yamato Preliminary Design A-140D: https://www.deviantart.com/tzoli/art/Yamato-Preliminary-Design-A-140D-746763878 Similar to the C version, for the D version too I did not found any sketch drawings so I used my imagination and own ideas to make a unique design. Being as the same size as the B version with the same armament and engine power but 5000tons lighter and one knot faster meant a more efficient hull form must had been chosen by the designer hence I too choose a hull more similar to the Final Yamato design (A-140F6) than of those of the previous ones proposals. The same way I chose a different layout for the secondary and AA guns as well. Unlike to the previous versions on this design 41cm cannons were chosen as main armament rather 46cm/50 ones, and armour was reduced accordingly. The design had the following characteristics: Dimensions: 247 (wl) x 40,4 x 10,1m Displacement: 55.000tons (standard) Armour: 200mm Deck, 380mm Belt (Immunity against own 46cm shells between 20.0000 and 30.000m) inclined to 25 degrees Engines: 140.000shp, 4 shafts, Diesel engines Speed: 54km/h (29knots) Range: 17.000km at 33km/h (9.200nm at 18knots) Armaments: 3x3 41cm/50 Type 94 Cannons, 4x3 15,5cm/60 Type 90 Guns 8x2 127mm/40 Type 89 DP-AA guns 8x2 25mm/60 Type 96 AA Guns 6x Seaplanes (I choose Nakajima E8N Dave and Aichi E10A Hank planes) Data table showing the various variants: http://i.imgur.com/zsBKwfN.jpg http://i.imgur.com/GUdpUUa.jpg http://i.imgur.com/7QUJxvp.jpg http://i.imgur.com/3uEULbm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/1VtNLLL.jpg
  10. As the 1930 1st London Naval Treaty discussions are about the begin, Japan started designing new warships to replace it's old ships according to the 1922 Washington Naval Treaty articles. Two class were considered to be replaced: Fuso and Kongo each with 2-2 new ships. The ships would have good speed and well armed with new 41cm cannons with a displacement around 30-35.000tons. The overall look would be similar to the Yamato and her preliminaries. Yuzuru Hiraga made a proposals for the Kongo replacement while Kikou Fujimoto for the Fuso replacement. In this thread I post the Kongo replacement design. To made up for the tonnage the WNT allowed, Hiraga proposed multiple variants of weapon layouts and displacements for the IJN: - 35.000ton variants: a.: 3x3 41cm, Speed: 48km/h (26knots) b.: 2x4,1x2 41cm, Speed: 48km/h (26knots) c.: 3x4 41cm, Speed: 43km/h (23knots) - 30.000ton variants: a.: 2x4 41cm, Speed: 46km/h (25knots) b.: 2x3 41cm, Speed: 48km/h (26knots) c.: 3x2 41cm, Speed: 48km/h (26knots) d.: 2x4,1x2 36cm, Speed: 46km/h (25knots) e.: 3x3 36cm, Speed: 48km/h (26knots) - 25.000ton variants: a.: 2x2 41cm, Speed: 46km/h (25knots) b.: 3x3 36cm, Speed: 46km/h (25knots) c.: 4x2 36cm, Speed: 48km/h (26knots) - 20.000ton variants: a.: 2x3 36cm, Speed: 48km/h (26knots) b.: 3x3 30cm, Speed: 46km/h (25knots) Secondary armaments to be consisted of 152mm guns and AA armament of 120mm ones. The AA guns on the superstructure later appeared in some phases on the Yamato preliminaries. The final design however evolved from the 35.000ton B variant but instead of quad turrets it used triple to save weight and used 4 turrets instead of 3. The ship is very compact to further decrease the displacement and armour area. Note the use of both turreted and casemated secondary guns to save weight. On the other hand Fujimoto's proposal was much less compact lack casemate guns and had a more general look on the superstructure shape. Available data on the final design from 1928-29: Dimensions: 232m x 32m x 9mDisplacement: 35.000tons standard, 39.200tons full loadEngine Power: 160.000shp 4 shaftsMaximum Speed: 49km/h (26,5knots) Armour: UnknwonArmaments:2x3,2,2 410mm Cannons 4x2,8x1 152mm Guns in turrets and casemates4x2 120mm AA Guns2x1 610mm Torpedo tubes (probably submerged) 2x seaplanes Hiraga's proposal: Note the high angle secondary guns in the casemates as well! Fujimoto's proposal: Comparison: Note: It is possible that both Fujimoto's and Hiraga's designs are for the Kongo Replacement warships and not for Kongo and Fuso.
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