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True dat. IF they reeaally want to do a Kagero-based premium, which works and is not either just plain OP or a nerfed one-trick pony. It does not seem like they have many options available. They could just make it slightly faster and more maneuverable with added AA, better guns and long range Pan-Asian style DW torps with a choice of TRB or smoke. This way it would not be limited to just long range torp sniping and could even contest caps or scout. It would still have some problems dealing with other DD tho (unless you buff the guns way more). This might work, it would not be particularly interesting tho, but at the least it would not utterly suck. The other option would be to simply give it regular torps and both TRB and smoke but otherwise identical to Kagero. This would be a definite improvement, but would make her slightly OP tho. Unless the TRB would be made even slower still, like 12 or 16 seconds or so. In any case, I do not see, how they could make it work without additional gimmickry or without significantly buffing the guns, essentially making her a much better gunboat. As it appears now, it seems just too unbalanced to me. People might buy it, try it, then want to get rid of it and never play it again. After all, as it is now the IJN DD can defend itself mostly by relying on its torps or the threat of them, as the guns are mostly rubbish and just there for decorative purposes only (OK, sometimes you can do something, but mostly you get whipped if relying on guns alone), so if considering DW torps in an IJN DD, this disadvantage must be balanced out by significantly improved gun performance to make it viable.

Indeed, I am, good Sir. If any IJN should be equipped with this kinds of DW torps. She would make the most sense.

Hmmh, unfortunate that one... Was planning to take it too but maybe I'll wait until it is fixed then. Which reminds me, the other 2 links fro our previous conversation: Watch the Paint Dry Simulator (in Steam): https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=398745942 AND Knitting Simulator http://www.molliemakes.com/craft-2/knitting-simulator-2014/ Hhehehe! Have fun.

Don't worry mate... I had the same experience in Musashi... Some 2 min into the game, fired 1 salvo and did 7000+ damage. Then got hit by an Iowa in return - Directly from the front. But instead of a bounce or pen on superstructure I detonated on the spot. Fun and games! Oh well, packed it up, changed my drinks and the ship and continued in Mogami - Rather ironically she turned out to be much more durable.

IDEA! - This just came to me... In fact WG could implement a perfectly good solely 20km DW torp-armed DD, which would totally work. They just based in on a wrong ship. It should not be a Kagero derivative, but an Akitsuki-derivative, so otherwise just the same ship, but with Aki TRB and DW torps able to hit only Capital ships only. I think this would work and would be also much more flexible and useful multi-role ship overall. Come to think of it, I have always struggled to understand the point of the IJN's supposed "Gun Boat" line. They are just as bad as the others and sometimes even worse (talking about the guns here). Never could figure out, why Shiratsuy is the "Gun Boat" while she is actually the better torpedo boat (TRB) when compared to Akatsuki and also when Akatsuki has more of the same guns - For example. Give them all DW torps also and much MUCH better guns (and perhaps switch Akatsuki to gunboatl line and Shira to torp boat line) and Voila! Suddenly it would all make sense.

HHEEEY! I have an anti-DD build for my Mogami and Vigilance has in fact saved my bacon many times (combined with the rudder shift module), gives just enough time to dodge the incoming torps and the extra range to your Hydro's torp detection range does not hurt either. Have only been torp'd once in over 400 games with her since I took the skill (and that was just due to sheer stupidity on my part). Highly recommended, but then again, depends a lot what you're gonna do with the ship tho. If you plan to stay far away and have the 203mm build, then it will prolly be pointless. And before anyone points it out, yes I admit that this close-range 155mm-DDhunt-thingy means living dangerously and dying horribly quite often.

Works now. Thaanks!

Oh Goody... Will do that then.

Yes Friend, sadly it's all true. You have played too much, sorry... Seek immediate attention of a competent psycho-medical professional right away. On a related note, yeeah we all totally know what's going on, but as a Valentine's Gag we just didn't tell you. Bwahahahaha!

OH HUMANITY! We won't live that long... You Heathen! How can you even say sacrilegious things that? Don't you know that by default every bungled miscalculation and error, after implementation automatically becomes a sacred object of faith, which cannot be changed or altered in any way, no matter the reason. So all that can be done is to add new gimmicks in hopes that they would address the "issue", if there indeed is any (but of course, we cannot admit to that either, so this whole thing becomes a bit complicated right there).

Dude, this is WG we are talking about. There IS no purpose. It is just there because it has been branded a "German Trait". Because you know, all German babies are born with a built-in Hydro (this is totally true, I swear) and a natural proclivity to submerge, when put on water. But if I have to start explaining where babies come from, you're on your own lad, sorry. Even my father's VW had a Hydro...

Mogami, my current No1 crush - But oh well, it depends entirely on how you intend to use her. Mine is 155mm armed, just because of many guns" So I conffed her as a DD hunter (19pts cap): 1) Direction Center for Catapult Aircraft (extra fighter to spot torps, when Hydro on cooldown and some buff to measly AA). 2) Expert Marksman + Adrenaline Rush (because you WILL take heavy damage in almost every game, so why not get something out of it?). 3) Demolition Expert + Vigilance (fire chance to compensate for IFHE + hunting DD is a dangerous life, there will be torps). 4) IFHE + Concealment Expert (increases your damage potential and CE allows you to shoot your torps from stealth - practise needed tho). For upgrades I also took Hydro instead of Defensive AA. Have never tried the 203mm guns on her but there are many here who did, they can advise on that better. Good Hunting Lad, she is a lovely ship. But of course, keep in mind. Mogami wears a built-in "Priority Target"-camo and a super-powered citadel-magnet on her back so whenever you fire even one shot everyone in the enemy team will drop everything they are doing and focus on you. Always start your evasive maneuver even before firing your guns and learn to weave like h*ell. Use the rudder shift module to give you better maneuverability. Also keep in mind, despite of whatever the game says - YOU HAVE NO ARMOR! Do not even think about bow-tanking or angling they will get you killed. Evasion is the best way to go, you are a Guerilla Fighter now, always keep that in mind.

No No Dude. Apply the appropriate penalty and smoke him, then immediately take off and leave him blind as a bat... The inevitable enemy torpedo-soup that follows will take care of the rest. JUSTICE IS SERVED!

Methinks I give dibs on all these guys to the RED Team please.... Keep awayyy!

And I thought I had potato'd... Woah! I do hope he played all his 9.000 games with a Hashidate or something... How on earth?

Hoot D*amn.... I never realized they are forming coalitions now. IT'S A GLOBAL CONSPIRACY!'

YAY! Hooray to Akitsuki-kun! (luckily gots me one too)

Weeel.... The average tier 8-10 games quite often DO have some 5 assorted DD's in each team so I would not be surprised. Especially immediately after release. Those matches might be priceless for their unintended comical value tho. Just imagine half-dozens of Potato-Asashios attempting to cap (for lack of any other DD) and desperately trying to torp each other in their smokes. I do remember the tier 8 Pan-Asian DD, who immediately after their release stubbornly persisted in trying torp me in my smoke (was indeed in a Kagero at the time) until I figured out where exactly he was and torp'd him instead. Fun times!

Ahh @Cime, my friend. I have made no such assumption neither in this thread here nor otherwise. Merely pointed out that in a theoretical encounter Kagero could beat it, that's all.

Well guys @Taliesn @TekumzeWolf, on the other "Battlewagons"-thread they just added some stats to stump all what we have talked about. A CV player with 24% winrate after over 100+ games... So there we go it IS possible to go that low, you just nee a high impact ship to make it possible to throw the game for the entire team. OOPSIE, IT WAS IN THIS THREAD - HEHEH! Senility and old age guys...

Actually @Infiriel... Even Kagero CAN take a dump on Asashio, since Asashio's guns are nerfed Kagero guns. Hehehe!

Sure, @Admiral_H_Nelson here you go: http://www.goat-simulator.com/ and https://www.farming-simulator.com/ Thre are many, many others, but he's just gonna have to learn to Google. Hehehe!

Yes, it is called the "Ocean" map... Bwahahahaha!

I can feel your pain, my previous mouse did not even have a mouse wheel (don't ask, it was OLD, probably even older than myself), so I just discovered this magical "Zooming" feature quite recently, perhaps 1 year ago, when I finally destroyed the old one and was forced to buy a "modern" mouse. And yeah, before anyone asks, my computer still works on pedals powered by a hidden midget.

Hehehe! Incidentally.... I also (much later) have discovered that if you keep the mouse button down, your guns will actually keep firing in sequence until released. Ahh! The wonderful things we see and learn. Until then I had always religiously kept pressing the button separately for each individual turret. This of course meant that my aim went a bit off in-between each click of the mouse... 11% main gun hitrate anyone (it has improved now)? The scary thing is, we DO have guys like that lurking in a Tirpitz near you! (I really don't mind low tiers, that's what they are for but).