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Remember that it's WG NA that said theyd axe the free camos. I didn't see a thing on the EU portal, nor ingame. Either WG EU is so incompetent that they didn't even realize it yet, or they're letting us keep it. Or they're just going to take it away silently and pretend it never happened.

Yamato still has that gimmick of being able to overmatch basically everything, so not quite yet.

The wehraboo in this thread lol. Bismarck a better design than the Iowa, that's a new and hilarious box to check on the Wehraboo bingo card.

I can use the Blyska to make BBs call me DDaddy

It hasn't been buffed, but it has all things considered for a tier6 good armor, better than Fuso and NM. It has guns that make even 380mm guns feel inadequate, speed that allows you to flex, secondaries that catch DDs completely by surprise, and is very quick to turn despite what its stats say. It was only poorly reviewed because it was hyped up to be a fast, well armored BB with guns rivaling the NC's in terms of penetration and devastating accuracy. Instead, we got something that's not completely unbalanced and unfair to everyone who doesn't have a spare 20€ lying around.

Normally they'll realize that it's too strong right about the moment they release another BB line, by sheer coincidence

You're quite simply a monkey. [looks at his list harder] US soldier in WWI? Really? You're talking about the French surrending, then make mention of WWI, citing the USA as a shining example of participation? Oh man, I can't even. There, my tea is spilled. Are you happy? My pants smell like Earl Grey. ARE YOU HAPPY?

Ingame, unless the fight happens at 6km, Dunkek wins basically everytime. Faster, more armored, bigger guns, more range, more AA, more secondaries.... I mean, it's not exactly a fair fight, Graf Spee is a fat, slow heavy cruiser with 4 small battleship guns. IRL? Graf Spee would either had a lucky hit, or the Dunkek would have cleaved the poor thing in half with the ridiculously powerful 330mm guns, I mean, these are the guns that had only slightly iess performance than the American 406mm L45.

Haha good joke. Remember that the RN cruiser were supposed to bring more cruisers into the MM queue? Yeah, that didn't turn out too well.

How you managed to completely fail to see my point is beyond me. I'm saying the opposite. They are popular because they overperform. PS: you said that what I said was undeniably false, when in fact I showed you that 4 out of 9 ships of the branch have an arbitrary advantage in terms of fuze times, which helps them devastate cruisers even harder. Yeah, 2% more WR, 15% more damage, 50% more battles played and 100 extra xp per battle for one ship is absolutely not impactworthy at all. And that's just with potatos. Good players have 3-5% more WR with German BBs than with respective tier BBs from tier7 to 10. Totally not a statistically significant number. The entire subbranch of fast armored ships (7-10) is idiotic. Normally a ship is either average everywhere, or compensates a weakness with a strength. Those German ships compensate 1 real weakness with 7 strengths. SO much so that the weakness if completely mitigated, and they just end up leading in damage anyways.

You've been ignoring ALL my arguments for two pages, I figured I wouldn't bother to wall'o'text anymore.After all, why bother pointing out that what 105mm HE bounces on, 127mm HE does too? Or that turning speed/time is more than just the two hard stats you're given in the port. Or why bother explaining for the 20th time that you're pointing out that German BBs have a spot where they can get damaged (THE NERVE!), while other BBs in the same exact sitution would take twice the damage. Why point out yet again the wild disparity in damage, survival, accuracy stats, WR, plane kills, xp gain and K/D when you're just going to shrug it off? Also, ship balance should be down to a ****ing popularity contest now? Sure, seems like a great idea. Let's have British battleships literally be able to faceroll and still win. At the rate this game is going with BBs, that's what's going to happen. PS: You're not making the point you think you're making. When the most popular ships/hero/class/item is available and played by everyone, and it's still overperforming compared less popular choices, it's that the ships/hero/class/item is not balanced. That's something you still haven't explained, and will still continue to gloss over with bad arguments that simply don't stand the test of time. 5 months ago, it was "they're new, only pro who free xp have them", now it's "everyone has them, so it's normal that they're doing well". The two statements are mutually ****ing exclusive, yet both have been used. Funny how that's only a problem with the BB class, and more particularily German BBs.

I would answer to everything, but honestly, the stats speak for themselves. 2-3% WR more, and German BBs up to tier8 are more played than USN and IJNs BBs COMBINED. I'm sure that's completely irrelevant, and there's no reason why that would be.

Unless you hit at a perfect orthogonal angle, the 203mm AP shell with a 34mm armor setting for the fuze will go off. Again, you are factually wrong, and empirically as well, as I have no problem dealing regular penetrations to broadsiding NCs with my Hipper. So unless you're telling that my shells are doing regular pens to the superstructure, sorry but wrong.

I also have a Tirpitz, may I point out. A Tirpitz with more battles than you Kaiser, Konig and Gneisenau put together, might I add. Also, now you're just lying about what German 203mm AP can do. Or you're just mistaking hull penetration with bow/stern/superstructure overpens. TL;DR : "pls no nerf the overperforming ships I'm grinding" and "the grass is always greener on the other side!" Said the high class high budget green as green can be golf course to the cheap put-put gold course.

I'd answer your points one by one yet again, but you'd just answer all of them the same way yet again "Nu-huh! The [x] isn't as good as you say!" How about this: you have no experience with BBs past tier7 other than 26 battles in a Gneisenau (at 65% WR lulz), and here you are commenting on the maneuverability of ships you not only have never played, but seldom play against. Which makes it hard for you to have any say in the matter, especially since you can say with a straight face that a ship with guns whose AP shells arm in less than 20m's worth of distance and less than 40mm of armor can overpenetrate the 33m beam of a North Carolina.

Looking at the average player, there really doesn't appear to be any less hero GG snipers in German ships that others.Simply put, German ships survive longer, hence can fire more per match, explaining the higher damage. As to the accuracy, I'm putting forward the notion that German guns are simply not inherently less accurate than others. It may feel that way, but hop back in a Kongo and you'll notice that you'll be begging for you shells not to leave the barrel at a 10 degree angle.

Do you want server average?Fine. On EU server the past 2 weeks. Gneisenau is played more than the Nagato and Colorado combined, has 3k more average damage than the runner-up and 2% win more than the runner up. SO much for inferior firepower. Just for lulz, Scharnhorst has 6% win more, and 9K damage more. Bismarck is played almost as much as both the Amagi and NC combined, has 1.3% WR more than the already overperforming Amagi, clocking in at 53% WR. FIFTY THREE. Oh and it's still the highest in damage, despite being weaker in firepower as claimed. Oops. Incidentally, it has worse accuracy, yet has a higher main battery hit, ranking at 28% while the others trail at 25%. Friederich? Played about 15% less the Iowa, but 60% more than the Amagi, there again the highest in damage, WR, main battery hit AND survival, despite "being huge and weak to torpedoes" and seeing a huge influx of the excellent USN DD torpedoes at those tiers Finally the Currywurst, here againt topping out in WR, although the margin is razor thin with the Yamato. This is the first ship since the Bayern to not be the highest in damage per tier, making it the second of the entire branch to do that. Shameful. It compensates by still being the best at surviving, and being on the heels of the Montana in terms of plane kills per match. So, what do the stats say? That 6 months in, German BBs are still overperfoming. Not because "only the pros who free xp" had them, but because, and I'm only going to repeat this once again although it should be self-****ing-evident, a branch of the fastest, more well armored and most maneuverable (save for tierX) ships with the best balance of firepower to damage cruisers and BB, the best secondaries, better than average to best per tier AA, armored decks that absorb 152mm HE at lower tier, and even up to 203mm HE in some cases,and some of them with hydro IS SIMPLY TOO STRONG. Even their "weaknesses" are completely mitigated. With less guns and less accuracy, they should be doing less damage, and yet they're topping out in damage, accuracy AND survival from tier3 to 9. How the **** do you explain that?

First of all, yes Fuso is insanely strong, I've said on multiple occasions that twelve 356mm guns with good sigma and dispersion is the closest thing ingame to a point and click adventure game. You're not doing *a bit* better with them, you're doing on average 9% better with them. That's gigantic. I didn't mention the New York for the same reason I didn't mention the ARP Hiei: stats with an amount of battle in the single digits are statistically worthless. As for the main event... I dare you to overpen a BB's armor above the belt. Pro-tip, the only one that can is the Yamato and it's giant fuze delay linked to it's giant shells. And even then, it can only do so on thinner ships. And again, that's a non-argument, since the same hit on an other ship would do the same damage. Only you wouldn't aim there, since you could just aim lower and get juicy citpens. Don't try to turn the area that's not turtleback armored into a weakness, it's still stronger than other lines, and isn't the cause for increased damage on German BBs. Nope, Shchors and Chapayev turn worse if they don't pile on the rudder shift mods, and even if they do, they don't bleed enough speed to turn faster than German BBs. Something you'd know if you played them, or saw them more regularily ingame. You would know that the Kaiser, Konig and Bayern have amazing secondaries for their tier had you need free xp'd the latter two. And the Gneisenau is no slouch with ELEVEN(!) twin 128mm DPAA, of course firing HE, making the previous secondary troll of tier 7, the Nagato, look like week old garbage. You can still nuke other BBs, that's the fuze arming. What's harder is dealing with both decreased accuracy and on lower tiers worse AP ammo penetration. Again, try playing against other German BBs without one of your own. You'll see just how much that turtleback armor bounces. Spoiler alert, it doesn't matter what pretty little image the game shows you when you hit, if it does 0 damage, it bounced. Which will happen when you hit there. The only overpen damage will be that stray shell hitting the superstructure, and only regular pen hitting the armored zone above the citadel. I never said that I was detonated every third game. But if you absolutely want to compare....Gneisenau has 257m of dispersion at 19.5km with a Sigma of 1.9 Myogi has 217m of dispersion at 15.7km. That's comparably MUCH worse, and that's before even considering that ships at tier4 are generally much smaller. Just to compare, the Colorado has 226m of dispersion at 16.7km with a sigma of 2.0 I believe, making it roughly similar albeit a bit better than the Gneisenau. It will also grant you less damage than just hitting citadels on enemy ships. Other ships have a superstructure too. Look at the bloody USN ships before trying to use "superstructures" as an argument. I managed to double citpen a Tirpitz with a Fuso once, it still doesn't change the fact that 30knot ships with more armor and more maneuverability on top of other advantages is just too much, and the stats almost 6 months in still reflect that. No, I use hard facts. German low tier BBs are better thanks to a mix of the excellent 105mm DPAA spewing out shells every 3 seconds at high velocity and range, and bigger 150mm AP guns that cruisers of tiers 4-6 loathe. That's simply better than the anemic IJN 140mm in lesser numbers, and WAYYYYY better than USN 127mm in a lot of cases open mounts that get destroyed at the slightest HE hit in the viscinity. And it only gets stronger at higher tiers, culminating at the Bismarck's ridiculous deluge that goes over 8km without even speccing it for secondaries. As far as citadels go, you still get plenty of BBs, the only citadel you're missing are those "Hail Mary deflection plunging shots through the bow that penetrate the citadel from there", which as far as damage goes, is at best an anomaly. Big superstructure is common to everyone save for a selection of IJN ships. Weak torpedo protection mitigated by not only hydro, but the ability to bleed speed so fast that you dodge torpedoes much more easily than other ships, something you stil haven't acknowledged, since you stick to the two numbers you see in port to make a decision, when there are so many more factors than that. Generally bigger size? Only the tier10 is much larger,the others are on par with others of its tier.

https://www.reddit.com/r/WorldOfWarships/comments/56vk17/looking_for_information_on_fuze_timersdelays/ Couldn't find the numbers again, but this is a good start. Basically, having 380mm shells rather than 406mm+ means not only that the distance required to arm the AP shells is lower, but that the delay is shorter. Same deal with 305mm AP shells of al nations which have a tiny fuze delay, which the Germans keep until tier 5, which is why you can citpen so effortlessly VMF cruisers with them. I'd have to pay 5€ to gamesmodel3D for the full datamined stats. So, where's your "100% sure" again?

[laughs in Missouri]

Alas, all of this is futile, because I'm arguing with someone who doesn't want to nerf his 65% WR Gneisenau he's grinding as his highest tier BB, that being 9% better than his average WR in BBs.

Hahaha that "armor is only good against citadels but is weak otherwise" argument.Because a ship going full broadside and taking 15k damage is SOOOOOO much worse than one doing the same and being quad citadel. When a tier7 ship more effective armor than a tierX Montana or Yamato, something went horribly worse. German BBs certainly outturn Russian cruisers, and give German cruisers a run for their money, in terms of turning. Secondaries? Only with 15 pt captains, AFT and manual fire+ flags and modules? All my Konig's close quarters medals beg to differ. "Turn away from a persuing torpedo cruiser or DD, enjoy easy torpedobeats and easy kills with rapecondaries. And because ALL of that wasn't balance enough, they have simply superior AP, that overall overpens less. That's why people claim to be able to do reliable damage against German BBs, they're using German BBs themselves. And instead of doing harmless bounces and overpens, they do regular damage inside the armor after bouncing on the turtleback.

Both my camoes removed? Oh well, looks like the Hatsu and Akatsuki are going to the garbage bin after I'm done with them. WG giveth, and WG taketh away.

The ocean will rise with the tears of Baltimore players, now outclassed at being a Cruiser by a BB. I'd say that the ocean would rise by a full centimeter, but let's face it, the amount of Baltimores in game is already laughably low.