Exocet6951

"Dear WG, through the tremendous effort of statistical analysis over the course of 4 games, I noticed that my overperforming ship on which I have 64% WR, a whole 10% more than my own average, did not perform as well. It was obviously nerfed. Pls buff Gneisenau." It's not quite clubbing hard enough for you? Do you, by any chance, also need help accomplishing simple tasks in life? Notably those revolving around using sharp tools like kitchen knives, or small rounded scissors for when you do arts and crafts with paper?

You underestimate bots, and wildly overestimate the average potato.

Got two mid sized ones, got a moderate amount of +100% camo in one, 40 dragon flags in the other. Worth it for the flags in my case.

WG should take a hint from soap companies

Actually yesterday, the most played was the NC. You can have all the WR you want, if you can't perform with an overperforming ship, that's your problem, no it's. It happens to everyone, having difficulty with a ship, don't take it personally.

And yet, it was still the most performing tier8 BB yesterday by a whopping 3% WR Sounds like a player problem.

Interestingly, in the list you made, the best performers are the one who can and the worst have either a thing to boost their survival (Atago has repair party, Kutuzov has 19km of range and way better maneuverability than her regular brethren). Baltimore is crap, the only reason Roon isn't down in ****-tier is because of the troll turtleback, Neptune can but just cheeses over islands and in smoke, and Donskois can, the same way they enjoy a very long range as well. As for tierX, DM is the worst performer with Hindenburg hot in its heels. In short, CA/CLs that actually work have either cheese mechanics (smoke, ungodly range rivaling BBs with generally superior maneuverability) or can invisibly fire. The others have subpar average damage, survival and WR. Not a good case to remove invisible firing. As for lower tier, where it's not possible, again the best performers are the ones with the best range and HE. Which is basically invisible firing, as you rely on not being an enemy's first choice of target. In essence, you're "invisible". But that doesn't work at higher tier, when BBs get more and more accurate as 15-16km range becomes an easy shot, and CA/CLs get larger and longer.

It is stupid, but it's a type of stupid that keeps things from going completely off the rails. Right now, the gameplay I suspect you want to see is greatly discouraged by the threat of instant death. If they want to remove invisible firing, they have to rework the entire interaction between BBs and other classes first. You can't cure the disease by trying to cure each minor symptom.

Oh please, we have fantasy BB doing donuts in sub-2km diameter circles while DDs machinegun torpedoes.If there was any immersion, it was broken long ago.

If they give cruisers anti-missile defense guns, go for it World of Modern Ships doesn't sound half bad. 24 ships haging back launching missiles at max range? Sounds like a typical WoWS match if you replace "missiles" with "shells"

BBs being in any way relevant and dominant has always been too.And yet...

However, more than one ship can be modelled at the same time. I wouldn't be shocked if they were released in February or early April.

My take on it is that they're stupid. Simply stupid. They have arguably better torpedoes than IJN DDs because of their speed and detection range, all while keeping a range sufficient to stealth torp with a 0pt captain and no camo. But at the same time, you want to use them as gunboats because hydro and decent guns. But you can't stealth fire because of the huge malus when firing. In short, it's a gunboat line that has better torpedoes than a torpedo line, but is less useful at being a gunboat than a multipurpose line like USN DDs. They're a hybrid class that creeps up on the advantages of other classes, but still falls face first because there's really nothing they can do. I'm afraid it's just a preview of things to come. Entire classes revolving around trying to counter BBs, but just not too much to be an actual threat. At this rate, the game is going to be a sudden death team deathmatch where DDs and CA/CL brawl with every few seconds a random chance to be deleted.

Looking forward to gearings with 40rpm guns. I wonder if they'll also buff the Gremy

C Hull Nagato is soft as hell already, but a stock hull Nagato? I dislike it for two reasons: a) it's going to be extremely soft and give hero snipers an excuse to sniper from even further b) 410mm guns at tier6. Overmatch pls. A case of frustrating to play, frustrating to play against if I ever saw one.

Garbage Acheron thread spotted. It had been a while. I'm feeling almost nostalgic.

[laughs in Bismarck]

It has nothing to do with damage control and engine damage, it has everything to do with the fact that secondaries have perfect aim (in terms of lead and distance) and have extremely rapid turret rotation speed.The result is that while secondaries can fire within the space of 3 seconds at a spotted targets, even a fast ship like the Benson needs at least 20 seconds to disengage and hide, during which time secondaries keep firing. The result is always the same, a DD spotted 9km away from a Bismarsk is getting hit multiple times. It's idiotic. The entire ship is just completely moronic in its very concept. A ship/weapon/vehicle/whatever should have its strengths mitigated by weaknesses. If a ship is a brawler and can counter BBs and CAs harder, it should be weaker to DDs. So why is this one stronger against DDs as well? It makes no sense.

Again, all you need is 10-15 hits from numerous secondaries that reload in 3 to 5 seconds.The Benson on the other hand had to pop smoke, turn, get behind the smoke and after he was in the smoke try to dodge the deluge of fire that was still in the air when he was spotted. That lasts at LEAST 20 seconds of maneuvering, which is almost 7 salvoes for the 105s, and 4 for the 150s In which the DD needs to get hit 10 times. That's not unlikely, that happens often when you throw as many shells in the air.

Look at it another way, because WG saw fit to remove all torpedoes that go more than 10km (basically), you find yourself always in range of the Bismarck's secondaries if you want to torpedo. The other day, I saw a Benson behind an Hatsuharu both trying to torpedo a Bismarck. They got in to a fairly reasonable 8-9km, got spotted by a stray DD, and the secondaries on the Bismarck openened fire within the second. Boom, Benson lost 5k hp by the time he popped from and turned away. You don't need many hits for it to happen, only around 10-15. This fixation on trying to keep the Bismarck as strong at it is is just ridiculous. I heard the same damn whine on T-54s in WoT when victory was decided by the side with more T-54s, because their armor was almost literally impenetrable frontally. "You just have to l2p and flank" they said, or even better "just aim at the weakspot on the turret, right under the mantlet when the gun is elevated", or even "the T-54 is balanced, look at the gun, it's not as good! It doesn't matter if the T-54 has a 60% average WR, look at the gun, it's terrible so the T-54 is obviously balanced!"

Then again, ingame censor filters are often terrible. I got a chatban from Armored Warfare because I found out that "Mustard" was censored because of the "tard" in it, and after having announcement it amusingly during the CBT phase of the game to other players ingame for a few matches in a row, boom, chatban. 10/10 Would interwebz again.

THis thread though. OP spent 50€ on a ship and doesn't feel special enough because the name coincides with a ship of the same class that can be earned for free. This just in, I want my Arkansas beta to have a glowing name that pulsates in the ship list to further differenciate me from the peasants who didn't start playing during CBT, a condition about as arbitrary as spending 50€ on a game. By that logic, every ship only available in the shop rather than ingame is super confusing for players.

Top kek Bismarck has a zone where a BB can do regular damage? Wow! Much balance! Doing 10-20k damage to a full broadside BB at close range! And 380mm guns having about 50-75mm penetration less at all distances obviously makes it terrible! Please, an Angled Bismarck is exactly the same as any other ship. Don't pretend like their more fragile ships because of a weakspot that's actually much stronger than the same spot on other BBs. Pathetic defense for trying to keep your overperfoming ship. 53-54% WR over the past 6 months on a ship that's more played than both other regular tier8s combined, and absolutely flooded ranked to the point where the only other viable ship was a Benson. 100% gg balance right there.

How DARE he assume he can use a DD to destroy a BB. If German BBs's weakness isn't DDs, nor CAs because "balanced armor decks", nor BBs because "balanced turtleback", nor CVs because you can be smart and not go full secondary build and still have both great secondaries AND great AA....what type of ship should you use to reliably counter them? Oh right, torpedo spam with a Gearing/Benson/Blyska while kiting with invis-HE spam. Guess what's getting nerfed at some point? Yup, all of that. Thanks new commander skills and removing invisibly firing.