Mad_Dog_Dante

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Oh god are we at the one trick pony awards again?

Max damage numbers on Hosho: Rockets 2200 Torpedoes 5400 Bombs 3000 - does not equal 10x? Hosho AP bombs are citadel city on most BB and a lot of cruiser runs and rockets can be devestating to light armored cruisers as well. You should try it. Bombing with AP isn't particularly hard because most attacks are in slow motion due to low ship and airplane speeds. Some ships can evade easily, most ships at that tier can not. Two attacks should be easily accomplished on a lot of targets, 3 is not uncommon on isolated ships. Unless I'm mistaken. But I think you are?

I was overly agressive in my first matches, and like I mentioned earlier, I had never been killed so frequently so early in the match in any destroyer before. After 4 matches of that I decided to play more observant and opportunistic. Much like the Atlanta, it is hard to be agressive on your own and location/position is key, since you have very little HP, armor and no alpha strike to work with. But you can amplify and invigorate agression towards enemy weak points and of team strong points a lot due to the barrage of shells you are able to put out. So look for strong players in you team and support them with scouting, tactical smoke, hydro and support fire(s). In my experience the Friesland is best played as a reactive and opportunistic ship. It really needs a different mind set, taming of primal urges, survivability skills and a bit of luck with your team.

I do this too, playing different ships as soon as my daily win is in the bag. I'm pretty sure from own experience that it doesn't help with getting good lifetime stats and results as opposed to specializing. Only specialists get a really good feel for what their ship can and can not do. So it's a great idea to every now and then focus on one of the ships you enjoy. Until you get bored and you play different ships again. Rinse and repeat.

My example was not ment as an example of the exeptional but as an example of how carriers can still be (too) dominant even when they are bottom tier. Your bet falls flat I'm sorry to report, I killed 2 battleships first, then the DD, then their last battleship, and Myoko as the final kill, but I'm not sure how the order of the kills is relevant. These were the last 5 ships the opposing team had at that stage of the battle. This match would have been a loss if it weren't for me in my tier 6 carrier dominating the end stage of a tier 8 match. The carrier gave me the range, speed, safety and damage potential to dispose of the last 5 enemy ships while they were in the process of winning and killing our remaining surface ships, because their carrier had died prematurely. I could not have done this in any other type of ship. I was not deplaned and had enough strike capability to handle this final battle with relative ease.

@Butterdoll I am talking about the current post rework Hosho, I see no reason to discuss the RTS version of carriers as they are no longer relevant. I am not comparing the Hosho with other carriers even, my reaction was to someone asking if the Hosho still sucked. It most certainly does not, both in my experience and when looking at the data example show in this thread.

This is by far the best advice. Always always have an escape plan that works and learn to mitigate incoming damage as quickly as possible. Sometimes it's even more important to have a plan of escape then to have a plan of attack ^^ It's okay to be shot at as long as you can dictate when and how much. Learn to plan your conceilment by planning ahead as much as possible. Stop firing when you're overwhelemed and conceilment can save you from going down. Take the hits, get off grid, lick your wounds and start again. Be aware of who in your team and flank is likely to help when you start opening up, and be aware of who most likely won't and always be aware that there can be 4 ships on your flank that all simply won't assist you (you can judge their awareness or willingness in their generic behavior, if they behave like carrier horses wearing blinders, or if they seem to behave smart and flexible in changing focus to the most vulnourable or most dangerous threats).

Right, and that limitation is done by means of the MM

I know what WG wants, doesnt make it automatically a correct sentiment. The reason why its changed on higher tiers is still the same reason why it needs to be changed at low tiers: 4 or more carriers is for gameplay. Why WG keeps prioritizing horribly designed carriers over good match gameplay for everyone is beyond me.

Because it is not only about sealclubbing or the Hosho being broken. There is a reason why tier X and VIII got an MM fix to prevent matches with 4 or more carriers. Lower tiers still have this game ruining matchup, in almost every match.

The Hosho is no longer crap.. I've reset the IJN carrier tree and played 18 matches before I unlocked the next ship. This stuff is just bad for business, the Research Bureau should have reset to tier 6, not 1.

I'll just leave this here.

I just have one question: how did you buy 200 M worth of signalflags with silver credits?

This review is great. 9/10

Sorry to see your first matches going so bad for you. Looking at your damage numbers you are not getting enough damage done, let alone on targets that matter. You are killing planes like crazy apparantly ^^ but that's not what you're here for. You seem to have a simular issue with the Tashkent also a gun platform and a rather awkward ship to play. We have the exact same number of matches so I'll post my results below, not to show off but to compare our tier 9 destroyers. Also, I'm currently working on my IJN reset so I haven't played her since. I might take her out for a spin soon to see if the playerbase has come to understand her weaknesses making her impossible. I find my understanding of the Friesland is helped a lot by my extensive experience in the Atlanta. Did you ever get to play her?

That's pretty cute and naive ^^ I already am very aware that I'm not a nice person to people who are obnoxiously disinterested in trying to play even at mediocre levels when playing with other people. I'm not in the slightest remorseful that I'm to people who ruin other peoples fun by being unwilful to participate in a meaningful way. The only thing that will help keeping the game chat clean is to disallow chat for me permanently, which I'm sure is not far off. That would be okay for me too, conversing with stupid is just a distraction for me. The perfect look for me, yes please <3

Special points for bringing up the Starsiege Universe. I played the mech game of that universe, that was awesome sauce de luxe 64 player 4 teams destructible objectives sweetness.

I think i was in the top 50% i think, got some camo's but no tokens. It's 'great' that i can't currently check what score i had either.

Oh crap baited into holy necromancy, sorry

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How do i play the new Midway? Well, first and foremost, don't do whatever it is I do

I dunno, last thing I remember is telling a profoundly bad destroyer captain exactly what he did wrong in game chat. I didn't even call him names i think. I think... Just explained to him in very clear language that sailing from spawn to hide behind BB's and islands, lurking there for 5 minutes, and then steaming up to enemy spawn only to get obliterated by a battleship wasn't up to par with my (apparantly very high) expectations of my teammates. But I've been chatbanned more then I have actually been able to chat. It's: week chatban, 3 days on, 10 days chatban 2 days on, 14 days chatban. Guess I have a big red asterix next to my name in one of the many spreadsheets that populate the WG office ^^ It's either that or I have blackouts where I spew dark develish garbage on to players EDIT: Also, I'm Dutch. That doesn't help much.

I don't really like to play CV's, they are shallow and boring, so I only play them when they are too strong. I've played 0.8.0 - 0.8.4 CV's as a last resort to not quit the game because of the horrible rework introduction period, as I like fragile ships that work best on stealth and conceilment. None of them were fun to play anymore. The only ship type that was fun at the time were the crazy OP carriers in everyones face. So I hopped into my carriers and made sure WG's spreadshit was filled with black holes. Now I play carriers because it's one of the 4 IJN techtrees that I have reset. Again, the Hosho, humongous OP for it's tier. I'm currently at the tier 6. But it's boring. It has little depth, and it's not a great tactical class, it's just flying pewp able to on everyone as it pleases at these 2 tiers. Don't blame me though, WG made it so.

'Fact' <- yep, healty debate and no subjective bias here