Mad_Dog_Dante

'CV's don't counter CV's'. What other class gets all these absurd exceptions quoted as 'normal'. What gameplay reasons can there be to design like this other then accomodating the entire CV class to the absolute lowest denominator? Hopefully the next DD that's released can't be countered by other DD's :-D

Hey, you found an even bigger design failure lol. Let's just say that I really don't like the 'let's design for stoopid only' mantra WG seems to live by, even if it is exploitable.

You're talking about using fighter planes as spotting planes. Yes they can be exploited. Design failing at maximum level ^^

Well in that case the HE spam actually suits new players because there is no knowledge involved other then how to hit stuff with floaty shells and how not to get blapped. The latter might be a bit hard to learn initially because it invloves awareness and other . There have been negative feelings against DD's, CV's and BB's. So we might want to move the meta away from any of these being too much to handle. And we do. It's about time there are cruisers in game that are actually an annoyance to everyone else for a change, and the only toys they have to do that is AA and HE. SAP is failing at it pretty hard. ;-)

So we all agree CV fighter consumable sucks for everyone

Tier X has always been a campy snooze fest even before the influx of high tier low Calibre high fire chance guns. It didn't get more campy, the campers now get burned down. Fire damage can be healed and builds can be build to tank it. I don't see an issue, just burning campers that always camped already before.

They are asking for support at the cap they are sailing to in advance. So you get some time to prepare and fly over there if you want. I wouldn't usually unless it's on the path I'm already heading to.

Yeah the fighter consumable by bombers is pretty lame and weak. That's why most players use them as spotting planes usually. Your ship has auto launched fighter consumables which are different from your bombers fighter consumables. These get automatically launched when your carrier hull is detecting bombers near by. It is weird stuff. By design. It is bad design actually.

Nope. They want you to spawn a fighter consumable on their location. You're telling us nothing happens which is weird, because it should. Either something is bugged or you are misunderstanding what is happening when you deploy fighters at your bombers location. Do you see a green circle appear on you minimap?

You don't seem to understand you can deploy fighters at any location using the fighter consumable on your bombers location. That is what these players are asking for

You playing tier iv carriers only?

I'm not sure what you sail but these firestarter ships usually take for ever to 'do a very high amount of damage', and fire damage is fully repairable. So learn how to mitigate that type of damage though ship and captain builds and tactics. Because if you are unwilling to learn that and only want to encounter ships you sail yourself your out of luck: this game and player base isn't going to accommodate you.

So you never deployed a fighter squad from your bombers?

It's quite 'interesting' for lack of a better word, to see on the Friesland because it apparantly is complete and utter crap, and on the Smolensk because apparantly it is completely OP ^^ I like both ships and think they are mostly fine, to play, and to play against. Sure a litlle finetuning might be in order. But all these ships really need is a little thought and flexibility by the players in both playing and countering them .

Interesting. So I assume you play it like a mini cruiser and range tank?

If played correctly, you won't be able to nick any cap :-) Check the replay in my post. 20191105_113744_PWSD510-Friesland_35_NE_north_winter.wowsreplay You'll see that what Viper Tech describes can be extremely powerfull, and not even 3 DD's supported by a radar cruiser and 2 BB's could cap my cap :-) But you are right in that it needs a different mindset and can't handle all situations evenly well. We all know that is not exactly the generic playerbase's forte It's been fun so far though, and I'll defenitely keep sailing the Friesland when all italian cruisers will be gathering dust somewhere in port :o

This is the exact tactic i used in match below on Northern lights, fighting for the B cap for 10 minutes straight. With me a brave Jean-Bart who tanked most of the damage coming our way. Enemy B force consisted of 3 DD's, a radar cruiser and 2 secondairy heavy BB's Bismark and Georgia. The replay is absolutely worth checking out how a Friesland can be devestating to an overwheliming enemy force near a cap with just the help of 1 Jean Bart, special props and compliments to him! He was my alpha threat in that engagement and detered the first push. 20191105_113744_PWSD510-Friesland_35_NE_north_winter.wowsreplay Results below WOSreplay page: https://replayswows.com/replay/69067#stats

I had the opposite with the 500 bundles near the last one. I got the perma camo but the counter next to it keeps saying 0/1.

That match was insane. You did great in the Shima, well played sir, well played.

Good match sir!

Just got the Trento. First match. Y'all keep your precious inside... I dunno why the Italians suit me

Anyone who thinks he can PWN a Smolensk because his bote has radar, doesn't know how to Smolensk.

Can I suggest it is both, and not either. Yes WG's decisions often hand destroyers the short end of the stick. Not always, planes not being able to spot torpedoes for instance has been an important help to destroyer gameplay, but playing DD is pretty hard work compared to playing BB or CV. So this makes playing destroyers harder, but does not explain why so many seem to die early still at high tiers. I play DD. I hardly ever die early, infact I usually die late or not at all. I'm a seasoned player, I by now know how to avoid dying early on in a destroyer most of the times. Aside from the fact that every tier and every meta so far have had their fair share of destroyer captains yolo in and die first, seeing that in high tiers is puzzling, unless we factor in the possibility that: A - grinding to tier 9 and 10 is a matter of time, not skill B - skipping large chunks of the grind has become increasingly easier C - the amount of anti DD is more numerous and more punishing at high tiers We might see an actual increase of less experienced players in the upper echelons more now then ever before. Hence mudding the high tier waters with bad play and seemingly inexperienced low tier destroyer behavior.

This discussion just became ultra stupid

I got the tier v and vi in a total of 12 crates it is I think?