cherry2blost

Anyone seen the flying pigs in the port? It is what happens when WG get a patch right... on patch day !

Well the 'other' option was going to be submarines.... good luck seeing those !

Have you clicked on build team... Or go into your team page and hit ready? It's new to all of us and I forsee quite a few of these help me posts

There's Klingons on the starboard bow, starboard bow..... This post is leading to a headache .

^^ Mr Angry ^^ Back on Topic... Well, spent an hour going and re doing all my skill points and with just a few minor changes, not much has really changed. BB stay pretty much the same, can't see the point in wasting 4/5 points for manual AA and secs as many of the lower level skills are more useful, left RU captain the same as the AFT/BFT skills affect the DD's but also the AAA on cruiser... so no changes there ... actually was nice to have the reset just to 'fix' some poor decisions in the past on things like Survivability etc.... Can't see many DD players with less than 10 KM torp range taking the speed option on torps, can only really see that the manual Secondaries are applicable for Tier 9/10 IJN. Manual AAA, probably never..... Unless its a T3 skill... so nope not many changes at all, does mean that losing BFT/AFT on IJN Cruisers means options for more survivability skills.... so good news there... Don't really think it's going to affect my playstyle much at all TBH !! Rock on Scissors Dudes !!

Checked it in game and is still working, think it was a conversation early on in testing.... had it fixed in my mind that it was being binned..... My bad ! (changed the original post)

My understanding was that after the patch this would no longer include Healing Consumable.. See, now, here is the quandary WG have to look at... do they 'pander' to the 'payers' or do they lose a player who will NEVER convert to premium... the aim of the business is to get as many converted as possible, so if you are never intending to pay anything then why would they worry too much? Dunno maybe WG are 'fixing' it for you...and that's why MM etc is going so hard on you? Doesn't want to ever pay? Lets troll him in game... 64 games is NOT an awful lot to really know what is what in a game, your Kawachi is performing badly, but it is a pretty crappy ship anyway so just move on up, they do get better, only up to T3 in cruisers, you unfortunately are probably falling victim in the last month of the Project R mission, where Tier 2 / 3 / 4 / 5 Kills were needed for Pearls, so a lot of very experienced players would have been down there lurking to get the pearls.... Click on Start Button, All programs, World of Warships and you will see this -----> Hope it helps! If you hate the game so much, then good luck and hopefully you will find something more to your liking ! However as this is only your 2nd Post on the forums there does seem to be a trend in your posting habits already.... 11 days later and you are still playing bud ;)

Simply put.... there are many threads regarding the upcoming changes.... it is the same small group of forumites who fight and bicker over EVERY change made to the game, while the oblivious thousands, just play away without ever frequenting these forums.... Should WG listen to the forums? Sometimes maybe... Do they listen to the forums.... probably not as all they ever get when they come on here is endless whines, complaints and abuse.... so we reap what we sow and the Devs work to the server statsistics, the Supertesters feedback and we get what we get.... in all honesty, how many people here are really going to stop playing the game due to these changes? Maybe 10, and that would be a high number.... If you feel that strongly and won't be playing after this patch, then please post your name, we can all keep a list and see how long it is before you are back playing.... WG products are NOT perfect, but they are an addictive product that keeps us all coming back for more.... So the moral here is... if whining doesn't fix the game, why bother, all it does is cause unrest and unpleasantness in the forums, meaning less new people frequent them, thus the cycle continues.....

Probably best to do a full install rather than the update... seems to get around most of these problems in the past....

Most of the playerws who have it now, will have made the decision to buy it, based on having a highly skilled captain to use on it..... one of the reasons why I wouldnt have bought the Tirpitz is that I have only 12 point captain to put in it and why make a liability to my team, when the Captains I have are based on cruiser captain loadouts, once the KM BB arrive then maybe I would buy her as a training vessel....

OMG and I find myself in agreement with you..... Blimey Mission had a lot of other benefits and you CAN use the same captain across all ARP ships, so as more come in, 5 more planned, I have read...... one captain different ships !

Exactly, which is why I have stated, repeatedly, that the MK does NOT need the 'buff' as for the thoughts from many that it would free up 7 skills, most people who have MK are using same Captain as the current tree, so we have our captains specialised for DD, and as DD are NOT being hit by AFT/BFT we will be unable to 're use' these skills on these ships anyway... ^^ Doesn't 'get' Ironic / Sarcastic Humour ^^

He is right here, SSD is so much quicker, however we also have to understand that not eveyone is in the position to get one... Good news is though that, of late, SSD prices are dropping through the floor so hopefully as time goes on they will become more ' accessible' to more people, maybe even through the 2nd user market ! I for one could say the opposite, I hit game before countdown starts and have to sit for a minute bored waiting for game to start...

But if you are in a Furutaka, in open sea and you are 13km from a Battleship, either you have NOT been looking at the minimap, or you have just come around an island.... Most Battleships will be spotted by YOU way before 13KM..... just think about what you have said here? be tactically aware in a cruiser, how many times I have watched in dismay, as 2 or 3 cruisers trundle off alone, away from Battleships and get nuked, all the while said battleships are chugging along trying to keep up and being murdered from above and torped by Destroyers.... It cuts both ways bud ! Cruisers are a support class, a jack of all trades, they are NOT designed to go one on one with battleships, and THAT is the biggest lesson that will be learned from the range fixes, for ALL cruisers (@WG ref MK), but the tunnel vision of cruiser drivers, in desperation to burn down a battleship they get themselves into all sorts of situations which it is hard to escape from... many times in a BB I have pinged a DD @ 7Km to accompanying CL, for them to kill it, only to watch while the constant stream of HE goes into enemy BB, for which I have AP ready and loaded... while I have to deal with enemy DD with the wrong ammo and then reload HE for a 2nd attempt, often times CL is then dead from BB or someone wakes up and kills DD, leaving me with a HE load to land on a Battleship etc.... teamwork and roles are what makes or breaks this game... unfortunately there is little evidence in the game as it is now.... If your favourite class has been 'balanced' a bit hard, then move onto some other line... variety (as they say) is the spice of life !

Notice who was first person to mention Battleships? This is one of the reasons I hide my stats, due to people grasping onto the vaguest 'stat' to 'prove' their argument...... Not at all, they have their strengths and weaknesses as do all ships, have actually pointed out that Long range Cruiser HE fire onto battleships is a pointless waste of everybodies resources, cruiser is pretty much combat ineffective at those ranges, when they would be better employed doing the job that the devs intended... and a s for being able to do something while closing the range.... let me give you a simple piece of advice.... Get 6th sense on your Battleship/ Cruiser, get to know your camo range, then wait until you are in a position to get a decent hit in, or when you are spotted BEFORE you fire, as MOST people are aware that firing INCREASES the range at which you can be spotted for 20 seconds.... so all those 18/19km small damage hits are doing but one thing.... lighting YOU up for aforementioned battleships to shoot back at you..... and the best bit is where you get to oooh about 16km, and try to turn away to stay at range, blissfully unaware that 'decent' BB players are waiting and predicting your turn and 'walk' a nice volley into your turn thus you cause that which you hate so much !

See this is where you should read, the post... then re read it before replying, as has been consistently your failing throughout this 'conversation' you are scan reading, your brain is only seeing keywords, which are hard programmed by your personal point of view.... So you wish to have ALL other cruisers, with the exception of the aforementioned Kutuzov (namesake of this thread) and Mogami get an artificial BOOST to their firepower by giving them longer range HE ? I am sure that many Mogami players may disagree with your assertion that Mogami should be left out..... i if your hard wired scan reading will allow you, please re read my posts carefully as at all turns I have suggested, and shown in various videos( links available) that Kutuzov does NOT need the extra range, having it is just a sop to poor players who, misguidedly, believe that Setting fire to Battleships at long range is the best use of their ships.... Battleships dodging salvoes of HE at that range is all but impossible, some always get through and those 'some' have a high chance of causing a fire, which means either BB driver has to put out flames or wait and waste a repair better used later on..... think RNG is hard on cruisers try playing against a Mogami at 19KM and see how it goes.... (oops you don't anything that would match against one...) As I have laboured at length to point out to you... Let me make this perfectly clear in a font you seem to understand: No cruisers NEED these sort of ranges, NONE of them ! Actually starting to believe that you actually believe all this stuff you are coming up with and THAT is really worrying....If those 2 Elite players that have been mentioned before use max range fire on cruisers to attain THOSE sort of results then I would be VERY surprised ! In fact if spotting mechanics were correct then once a ship was spotted it would stay so until it dropped out of view, behind island, in smoke etc.... so this would in one sweep do away with cruisers sitting safely back dropping shells from an invisible point... only ships in war that were truly invisible, would be ships completely covered in smoke, though Radar would see through that at higher tiers, or ships out of line of sight or SUBMARINES !

Ahh so now we get to the truth of it, this discussion is nothing to do with the Kutuzov, even though it is in the title.. But about how you want cruisers to be long ranged flamethrowers, while being maouverable enough to avoid incoming Battleship fire.. Oh and IF said BB does mange to hit you... Just scratch your paint... OK point taken... Now we are getting somewhere.

point made in bold ! The fact that my early grind was to Tier 9 on both BB lines and am currently grinding USN/IJN and KM cruisers means nothing.... how is a discussion about MK biased by my BB's in my port?

Sorry not quite getting the point here, are you saying I am a cool kid? wow that's something I have not been called in a while....post stuff like what? Think google translate may be letting you down a bit there, stop, breathe and try again so my meagre brain can comprehend?

You reaaly are going round in circles here, at no point have I suggested that ANY ship needs a buff, I have argued that Carriers need XP for spotting damage, and that IJN DD need to only have 12 Km torps as a maximum, also that BB secondaries are ineffective.... When have I agreed that MK needs this Buff.... Ummm never is the FACT.... My stats are hidden as a protection and protest against XVM in THIS game..... and I am actually happy in my averageness... unilke others who want to make a new account so as to have uber stats on XVM... mentioning NO names here... cough... If you are that interested in my very average stats, here is a screenshot as of now.... not that it will tell you much at all mind....

Different conversation, different context? Maybe you were in that thread whing about how CV were nerfed, MK getting buff.... maybe YOUR biggest beef isn't with the ship per se, but with the fact that you cannot/will not justify spending 60 euros on a ship.... Now, lets make a huge leap here, X day comes around and USSR cruiser line come in, and they ALL have this benefit.... what wil you do? Kick up a stink and not play them? or jump hot and hard into the 'current' most 'percieved' OP ship....? No one has thrown people stats into the equation, just the experience with a particular ship to whit, MK, they are calling OP..... Only stats I see were ones I posted for ships of a type played (t5 max) and someone else used Flamu in MK as a counter argument as to why MK is OP.... just to balance THAT equation here are some of Flamu's 'other' stats... Funnily enough it almost exactly 'mirrors' the MK stats above....... and this is the Mogami ! In it's current form ! I also would wager that neither Flamu, Or Aluwefeg use either Mogami or MK at ranges above 15KM..... to do THAT much damage in cruisers you MUST be firing AP and hitting cruiser citadels, meaning AFT means bugger all except as a sop to the, less able players, who want to sit and snipe at 19KM...... Thus rendering this entire exercise as futile with the exception that Battleship players will not be subject (to as much) long ranged, fire damage from unspotted ships....

Been back through the thread and can't really see where I even mentioned your CV.... am I missing something ? So, if you want to be taken seriously in a conversation, regarding higher tier stuff, may it not be 'sensible' to post on the 'experienced' account, rather than on your re roll... hey! Kudos to you for doing a re roll this early, this time next year when XVM is up and running in its' fullest you will be able to 'call out' all the noobs who have kept their original accounts... love the sense of preparation there.... however, I can only state the facts here; and the facts are you (in your current forum guise) have only played CL upto T5.... sorry facts is facts and all.... "Anyway, even if I havent played them, does that mean that my arguments are rendered untrue?" Well, actually, yes. I bought the MK first day it came out, it was a hard decision because at the same price of the Tirpitz I had a hard hoice to make, Tirpitz or MK? If you had been a fly on the wall in our TS you would have heard me raging about how crap the ship was, citadelled to death constantly, first 30 games or so were terrible, even typed a support question asking for a refund (didnt send it) then something changed..... the ship didnt change, I did... began to be more careful, more aware of its' shortcomings and as I worked up to 100 games, the ship began to work... she is a VERY hard ship to play, probably THE most difficult I have had, but when I am good, she is awesome, when I make a less than ideal decision it gets punished and punished hard.... Range? Pah useless, cruiser is best places supporting DD's NOT sat back at 19KM as has been the case with 90% of Mogami players..... AFT should ONLY be available as a T3 skill and ONLY affecting secondaries and AAA guns.... Period. The msistke WG made was putting it on cruisers in the first place, and this will be rectified..... will MK players spend 90% of their games spamming HE rom 19km? Some may but those who spend 60 euros on a ship WANT the most out of them and will (more than likely ) up the front hunting aircraft (like I do)..... Give MK it's 'correct range 16KM is more than enough, but when that is done gibe it the same firing penalties as the IJN cruisers...

The balancing issue was addressed earlier, MK has 14.9KM Camo, with a firing penalty of 5km.... meaning the MK is always spotted (realistically) Mogami et al have considerably lower penalties.... however this is a moot point as the correct use for a cruiser has been pointed out by myself in a couple of posts back, just because [some?] players love the idea of hard camping at 19km and playing sniper does not mean that this is the best way to play these ships.... by all means WG bring MK back to it's natural state of range as waiting for close on 20 seconds for a (probable) miss at 19km is NOT really a fun way to spend my time in a cruiser.... Honestly Pawnd.. get yourself onto PT and try the MK out, see how much difference the range makes... I can tell you ... not a whole lot!

No, he is agreeing with you, just NOT entirely.... you dont have Kutuzov, he does, at no point has he said that the MK 'should' get extended range, just that it is not an OP P2W..... whine worthy ship as you have repeatedly stated..... without mind... any actual experience in the offending article....

sorry was in mid edit when you posted this one... will add the edit here Kids these days have little in the way of social interaction skills, what you have either ignored or missed, is the fact that we are agreeing with you, but with a slightly differing point of view.... the finer nuances of the 'conversation' seem to have been coloured by your anger...