Shaka_D

Baby steps, and when you eventually look behind you, you notice how many of those baby steps you've taken and how far you've travelled from the beginning. Small incremental changes is how you avoid too much backlash as opposed to big shifts and public outcry.

After reading the devblog for the upcoming patch, etc, I have a major issue with your compensation scheme for the containers relating to receiving a ship from a container that you already have in port, and where you are instead rewarded free xp, or commander XP, etc. Your alternative rewards are pathetically low in comparison, especially when the odds of receiving a ship from one of the containers is extremely low. One of the major drawcards for me, and I suspect others, when buying a container is the chance of winning a ship. When I have many of the ships in port, why on earth would I even bother buying a container when all I'm offered in return is; for example, 32000 free xp from a premium container? I can make 32k free xp in a few games. You really need to speak to whomever sets this up, because if it's deliberate I fail to see the motivation, but if it's not, someone is not living in the real world. From a business perspective, you're losing sales? It's simply astonishing that you value so low your own rewards, but charge an extortionate premium for the containers. Do you not see the irony in this?

To be fair, I think you know the majority of the world operates on popular opinion rather than fact. Hence why we have the use of so many halfwit celebrities to sell products that don't work, spin charity stories about giving money when they themselves sit in mansions and only give stuff away in plain sight so as to be seen to be 'charitable', politicians lying to us all the time, WG giving us 'free' stuff, businesses and banks robbing us blind, green taxes to help 'save the world', and so on. All you need is for a few fairly influential people to start feeling disillusioned with the game, talking about it, spreading bad publicity, etc and one day when someone has a bad day or two in the game they start forming their own negative feelings and begin finding identity with those who are already disillusioned. We all tend to read and believe stories that agree with our own point of view and dismiss those that don't. WG are already seen as untrustworthy in many hearts and minds on this forum, and forumites are likely the most vocal in the game and can easily spread their negativity one way or the other in-game. One of the problems we face is we expect WG to approach their business with some form of morality or an abundance of ethics. They will only ever do the bare minimum, will always only choose the option which produces more cash, and will only ever react when faced with significant player revolt, because this directly impacts their income. They also bank on us having extremely short memories, which in my case is not true. I am well aware this game may go one day soon or change dramatically to something I no longer enjoy playing, and I must therefore be prepared to move on. WG are not our friends, despite the almost sincere efforts of the community team, they're a business and we're only wallets.

The skin is a pixel fantasy. Why spend money on something that may come later on? Just my view anyhow? And to me, camo's and skins are utterly pointless in the game. WG have devalued them to the point they're worthless, despite having fancy names and appearances, and I never take notice of either skins or camo's ingame anyhow.

Ok, fair enough. But then can we have the option to play a game mode with no bb's, or cruisers, or even dd's? When I play dd's I don't want anything with radar on it because this ruins my fun contesting caps and playing the stealth game. When I'm in a cruiser, I don't want bb's playing because they can citadel me too easily. Etc etc. Choice is king and fair is fair. If not, why?

Or forget about her, being a pixel thing and all, and get a real girlfriend, pet, or boyfriend. Whatever your preference these days is fine ;)

The whole thing is completely unappealing imho. Not even bothering. WG have got boring. Same ol same ol expensive repeated crap.

I tend to agree with you there, though purely anecdotal from being killed by a lot of bb ASW. AIthough I do recognise I generalised massively against bb's in my last post....many bb players are pretty adept at destroying subs, even through blind attacks on an area when a sub was last seen.

My analysis is to play your sub cautiously. They're weak and easily killed, and you find yourself focused on when spotted more often than not purely because many players hate them (And I said 'many' here, not 'most'). That said, since many bb players are halfwits (or perhaps more halfwits tend to gravitate toward playing bb's) and tend to react in fear instinctively at the mere mention of a sub, in numerous games I've seen these bb players tend to hang far back from the battle firing at maximum range, too scared to move closer and fearful of being the first one in their team to take the lead. Subs are therefore a great deterrent. Sadly though, this also means your own bb players might react similarly, since both teams are not immune to cowardice and paralysis from fear. In one game, a bb was asked to get closer to the battle and responded he wouldn't because the enemy had a sub, despite the fact the sub was already spotted miles across on the opposite side of the map fighting another battle of its own. To think, if subs can make grown men and women cry the way they do in a little game, just imagine their impact in real life during WWI or II. Or maybe, courage and risk taking isn't what it used to be and people have weaker constitutions at he thought of losing a few pixel hit points. Isn't the world great this way?

Yawn? Sorry, couldn't resist!

Yep, one of the reasons I stay away from Brawl. WG need to rethink many of their policies. But then again, if they're not as invested in playing their own as we are, they'll never be able to empathise with how players feel about things.

How do you justify that exactly? Sounds a little post hoc ergo propter hoc to me. If occurrence B immediately follows occurrence A, it cannot simply be assumed that A caused B, unless of course you have definite evidence. I haven't been playing much lately myself. In fact, the one thing that has kept me interested was subs. Life happens and sometimes people leave. When you think about it, WG have no long term retention policy that actively rewards veterans other than a few annual events that provide momentary bursts of enthusiasm (for me anyways), and then after that the same old recipe applies with the same ol 'early release'. etc formulas which are boring as hell (not that hell is boring, I'm sure). I'm not interested in clan wars because this makes the game feel more like a job, brawls are boring, and I'm tired of chasing ship after ship because I'll never play them all and pixel collections are a foolish mans fantasy imho. Ranked is the only thing I dabble in mostly because of the more instant reward for playing and winning a few games, i.e. steel, dubloons, etc. If they lessen these, I'll lose interest. It's a game you can always come back to after a rest, but I'm finding as I did for world of tanks I never truly return and start spending less money over time. I really should find a few friends to play with, but what's the end game, what's the point? And I'm not a great ambassador for the game because I don't feel WG value me as a long term player, so I won't promote the game for them. In others words, there are numerous reasons player numbers could be dwindling, not just because of subs.

Why don't WG simply adopt the same system as they do in WoT? It rewards good gameplay. Play badly on the winning team and you are not given a star. Play well on the losing team and you can still earn a star. It works well and far better than watching some halfwit window licker take a star home for doing nothing and it means people don't give up as easily in a game where your team is outmatched or being outplayed.

I have them all, I think, will sell the account for the right price (in your dreams).

Subs are lone hunters, indeed, but how is that different to how thousands of players play their bb's, dd's, cruisers? Show me consistent cohesive gameplay in randoms in any class? Most people go into battle and play their ship their way, wherever on the map they feel like playing them. I would argue that most games are like this. The sheer number of games I've played where I've pleaded for people to please play with their team instead of at the border, alone on a flank, and so on, are simply too many to remember. Similarly, judging from other peoples arguments in the forums, and in the game, I'd say many others have experienced this too. A sub is simply another tool in your teams arsenal and can be a superb weapon for any team if played right. It has its advantages, and has its disadvantages. I personally think its more a case that many are resistant to change, resistant to seeing opportunity in the challenge of adapting their gameplay.

You really should learn to take a small 10 minute break before coming to the forums to whine about being sunk by a submarine straight after being sunk by a submarine, nudge nudge wink wink

Hi mate, sorry I didn't see you. Not having much luck in ranked so decided to take a few days off. Was trying to find the right ship to play that night...ended up tilting a little.

That depends on a few things now, doesn't it? And if we had to go into a detailed analysis of all the options we'll be writing walls of text over pages and pages, as we would for any of the classes we're more accustomed to playing. The question should be 'How well versed are you in sub gameplay, i.e. have you played them extensively enough to know their weaknesses?'. It's until you get owned in them a lot that you learn their vulnerabilities. And there are many. People complain because they've been targeted by a new unfamiliar class of vessel and haven't yet learned how to play against them, and then they have false consensus that subs are ubiquitous in every game and every part of the map to the point you can't move without being targeted by one...which is, as mentioned, false consensus. Sometimes in battles you find yourself in a situation against another class of vessel you know you have the lower hand, whether a cruiser verse a bb, a dd versus a cruiser, a bb versus a cv, etc etc. Sometimes, no matter what you try, you're going to die. Why is it any different versus subs? Has your team melted away and left you alone versus a sub? Have you overextended and find yourself too close and you hadn't noticed the last point the sub was spotted? Are your team mates pinging the map where the sub was seen and reporting it in chat? Is your cv player spotting for you, dd's using their rpf? We can't always have the easy game and subs cannot stay submerged forever.

Absolutely love subs. Even when getting blapped by them in my bb or they outplay me when in my dd. They generally die very quickly, and can't target everybody all the time in every game. Also, and once again, it's all a matter of perspective. I feel radar and cv planes spotting me ruins my dd gameplay, but I've learned to adapt. BB's focussing me in my cruiser for an easy kill scares me off being too aggressive so my gameplay has similarly had to adapt. Now subs scare the living shite out of so many bb's they hide far far far back, allowing my cruiser to get closer. If they increase sub counts to more than two per team I'll be miffed, but at present it's easily adaptable and we need to learn that sometimes we win, sometimes we lose, no matter what class of vessel we play. There are just more chess pieces on the board. My view anyhow, differs from most, but doesn't really matter, right?

With all due respect, you try to frame a lot of subjectivity as fact, but all it is, is conjecture.

Means I can flaunt my subs 'bum' at you and you can't say anything, hehehehe

With todays neanderthal player base, you simply haven't lived until you've had your first chat ban. By the time you've reached your 10 to 12th chat ban, you're seen as a master and will be considered for a seat at the high council. Thirty + chat bans? Heard stories about this one person, but no one has really seen them though. Might just be a fanciful myth but we all need our heroes, right?

Great idea, but only if we can cap them at two per team in ranked. Will change the dynamic on ranked massively, with a very fast shift from bb's to mainly dd's and subs. Then the team with the best dd players wins. Simples. Not all bad.

I will NOT apologise for sub privilege, and will never get down on a knee against them! In fact, I feel kind of excited by the video and going to see how many games I can play like the ones in the vid with my I-56, because yes, I have one, though I'm pretty sure its the one sub I hate playing the most out of all my lovely subs because it gets killed so easily against any bb, cruiser or dd player with half a brain. Though again, to be fair most of the WoWS playerbase has less than this, so I understand why all the butthurt. And when there's a cv in the enemy team, subs are always on the menu. With such a short dive time, this sub has to be played carefully and is incredibly fragile. Although it looks kinda delicious to those that want to kill her, until you get close and see that periscope! I think you should all show some love to sub players and +1 them in game. I know I do simply because I know they get a bad rap from everyone. Takes a brave man (or woman, or whatever your gender preference is) to play a sub....big balls, proverbially speaking of course. And stealing the words of Gump, that's all I have to say about that