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On the contrary, I find his posts rather objective. Calling them a whine simply because it doesn't please you or your overlords doesn't actually make it a whine. In fact, you've all got so used to labelling EVERY complaint as a whine now that you can't tell the difference anymore. Pity, I think MrFingers has a lot of valid points, sad though that some can't see them because their own views are blinkered.

Personally I feel WG have made an extremely bad decision. Who cares if the average player only accesses it once every 2 months, the thing is we NEED the feature to be there whenever we want to use it. I accessed the depot in WoT all the time. I feel lost not having it here. WG are denying us those credits for what reason exactly and making us wait until they work it out? What exactly was the difficulty in them not implementing it in the first place? Is this a way to ensure we're completely restricted in terms of credit revenue? Feels like it to me and just plain bloody lazy on their part.

Now I am very disappoint!

I would have to if it were a vital source of income for me. Nevertheless, I'm going to try out Steel Ocean tonight on Steam..it might be absolute rubbish, who knows, but you never know till you try. I'll wait to see what the hotfix fixes before loading up WoWs again, if WG repair what they broke I'll be happy again.

Will this patch definitely fix the massive fubar with penetration mechanics? Will cruisers now still horribly outgun BB's?

OP is correct, there is a youtube showing an example of a gearing doing zero damage to cruiser after numerous hits with HE. There's a post on the forum hear somewhere about it. OP is not imaging it, WG have botched up things in the last patch. The game is broken at the moment, very broken. It's not the server and no replay is needed to know it's the truth, sad state of affairs and hopefully WG will fix everthing just before hell freezes over.

Captain Obvious - informs you we need to cap the enemy base to win Captain braindead - heads off in his DD at top speed without support and dies, and then flames the rest of the team for not helping him. Captain 'courageous'' - Calls for help and when you get there he turns and runs leaving you alone to die

Is it the policy of WG now to have the supertesters blatantly advertise all their new premium vessels on the forums now? How sad this state of affairs has become and, ironically, what a joke! Whether your motives are sincere or not, it's starting to stink a little. Good luck to you all and may the weak-minded fall hook, line and sinker.

Given that it's on Steam it will pull in a lot of prospective players given Steam's popularity. WG will lose out for real here (as said before yes, but being on Steam is a real feather in Steel Ocean's cap). I'll try it out, if I like it I'll play it. It might simply not be good enough anymore for WG to take their time on things. I suspect at release a lot of us will be downloading and trying it?

In before you say 'you should have searched for a topic'......... Anyways, after playing USN and IJN DD's a lot lately I've come to be confused about the hull upgrades to these little beasties. Every upgrade tends to make the DD's more of an AA platform (at the expense of your main guns). In fact, apart from when I turn AA off, with AA activated the DD kinda resembles a porcupine with all the gunfire erupting from her but she barely manages to do anything to aircraft. I had three squadrons swarming directly above my tier 7 last night and managed to hit only one plane. The rest dropped their ordinance just fine and I erupted into flames. I always feel compelled to upgrade because the upgrades most often bring more hitpoints to your ship, but ends up reducing my guns to add more AA, which is truth I'd rather not have since when they fire they tend to give me away quickly. I personally feel that the guns and torpedos are my main armanent and would be quite happy if they had no AA whatsever. I realise that this is a double-edged sword since DD's were often AA platforms in reality (I think), but in the game my guns have saved my arse on numerous occasions while torps were reloading. Often I've taken out rival DD's who have relied solely on their torps and neglected their guns, leaving me to whittle away at their HP salvo after salvo. To me the guns are more important than the torps, and AA factors last on the list. Apart from the upgraded hit points, the hull upgrade is a downgrade? Not sure how others feel, perhaps I've missed out on the advantages of the AA over the guns.

That's quite impressive. Might have to see where I'm going wrong.

Lol, them eggs taste proper bad. I know we can choose to not upgrade, but if deciding to enjoy the ship rather than to simply play through to the next one the 'upgrade' offers more hitpoints and other stuff, but reduces the main gun count to add more AA. It's obviously not a game breaker to me, just seems odd that the AA is an upgrade point on a new hull, but seems to be ineffective, and more inclined to get you spotted and targeted; and more turrets would seem the better option for an upgrade in terms of the ship's direct fighting ability - and I don't mean adding more in terms of what there is on a stock hull, just having the option to keep the turrets and reduce the AA. If they were optional hull fitments parallel to each other with no further increase in hitpoints, etc. then a person could simply choose the option that best suits their playstyle, but by not upgrading we're in essence denying ourselves vital upgrades to the aforementioned hitpoints and other benefits. Taking away a main gun to replace it with AA is a massive leap backwards imho. Perhaps, as mentioned, if they let us choose different configurations without penalties to ship hitpoints, etc. it would be more suitable? AA is something I find myself using less and less on a DD.

Buy a bundle, Serb wills it!

Ah yes, ok, but still don't want that AA, it doesn't seem effective at all, almost secondary to everything else, yet the upgrades removes a gun and gives something which appears relatively benign as a replacement.

You do realise that this philosophy would have to apply to 99% of the WoWS playerbase since they all fit that description. Do you think it was WG's intention to make it extremely difficult for the majority of the playerbase? If so, it's a rather odd way of promoting their game to the masses who will play only to reach tier 8 to realise it's a wasted effort to grind any higher. This basically makes tier 8 to 10 a tier for the other 1% of the playerbase, meaning the endgame for most will be far lower tiers.

Yes, my aim is a lot lower since I've reached my goal of tier 7 on the Pensacola, Mahan, Colorado and Jap tier 7 dd (name is too strange to remember). Might prusue the german and jap cruiser line to tier 7 and then it's plain sailing for me - no pun intended. My goal higher than tier 7 is a 'slow - don't really care' one since the costs to play the game become extortionate in terms of in-game credits and so I'll happily play at tier 7. The nice thing about ships is you can still be a contender at a lower tier, and having that all powerful ship at tier x is not necessarily a must.

Yes, I have to agree. I played my atago a few nights back and got wasted by a mogami using the 155's. She set fire to me consistently, her rate of fire outperformed my own and I had to run. I did damage to her but on a scale of who was more potent I think it was the mogami IMHO, even with the new repair ability on the atago, all it did was buy me time. I guess in the hands of a capable player any ship could be played to her strengths. The mogami was too strong before and I say this from a victims point of view. Let WG fix whatever the issue is the AP, etc. first.

There are conspiracies, and then there is WG. WG have proven time and time again, year after year that they are not trustworthy, nor in any way as transparent as we would expect them to be, Then lastly, there are the bunch of puppets working for WG who seem to support WG no matter what their motives. You must be part of teh latter group? I played a hard game in my atago tonight and ended up in a duel with a tier 5 german cruiser at around 11km. He peppered me every shot. Many of his shots did well over 1000 and sometimes 2000 to 2500 damage to me. Don't ask me how, I was dumbfounded. I was weaving and ended up running from him, lol. He was sailing in a perfectly straightline and most of my shots kept missing, as did my colorado against a cleveland who hammered me into oblivion at maximum range, while my shots hit and did 1020 damage now and then, but otherwise missed mostly. Now I'm not the best player around, but I've learned how to aimed ahead, relatively easy for sailors steering straight as he was, and I understand the RNG is a factor, but since the patch I've not had that many citadels whereas before I did, a lot, to the point I come to expect it most games I play. Call us crazy, but WG would not be required to declare silent 'balance' changes to us would they? They could go ahead and simply do it without anyones knowledge. They've done it in the past at WoT so why not now? Stop being so predictable in your defense of your masters.

'i' before 'e' except after 'c'. A tip for the future.

You can make money in a tier 10 in WoT with a premium account, not so in WoWs. WG are excessively controlling the economy to coerce players into buying premium accounts and ships, but even with a premium account it's not enough in tier 10, which is utter bullsh1t when you think of it. The grind to tier 10 is long and costly, so punishing players in this way even when they play well is overly manipulative of WG.

Agreed, was only saying it in case some folk think they're going to be the biggest baddest ships out there when they come out. They'll have some pretty major weaknesses no doubt.

I really really want to get excited about this patch but I can't,.......................................................because I'm at freakin work.

Before anyone gets excited about the RN ships let's wait and see what WG do with them. When the brit tanks came out in WoT they were not well received due to the way WG made them overly fragile. Given that some of the brit ships had magazine trouble, especially with a few of the battlecruisers, I wouldn't be surprised if WG made them floating ammo racks ready to detonate at a moments notice. Time will tell. They may be legends in name alone when WG is finished with them.

Seems like, luckily I had just finished an epic game, 7 kills in mutsuki and a nice 400k profit. I'd have cried in if it crashed before it ended.

Great change to the torp drop and spread. Just yesterday my colorado was nuked by USN torp planes who literally dropped the torps right off my port side giving me zero chance to even try turn. The torps travelled for 2 seconds and then hit. This range was way too short so it desperately needed an adjustment and I'm very glad WG have changed it for 5.1