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A long, loooooooong time ago, way before Alpha started all those trees were "confirmed" on the NA forums, including the "minor naval powers one. (I believe that was done by KGB, one of the Russian devs) That doesn't mean that they are working on it right now, but it is WG's intention to do them all, including the minor powers (which will most likely include the smaller European powers and the South American ones). But like with WoT they'll most likely release trees one at a time with at least two branches ready to play.

Please read my post carefully: RANGEFINDERS are a PART of the FCS system. That they added a new Fire Control Table does NOT mean that they upgraded or replaced the rangefinders, which is a complex optical system and haven't been replaced during Warspite's lifetime. Because, as stated above, the optical rangefinders (which were the basis of WG's range calculation apparently) have never been replaced and were still the ones from the WW1 era. But, once again: you can have all the FCS systems in the world at your disposal, but they'll only aid in guesstimating where the shells will land. Even Iowa in 1987 with all her upgrades could only manage a shell dispersion of 230 meters over 32km on a stationary target (SOURCE) and that was considered to be impressive, but is not comparable with firing at a moving target at those ranges due to the target moving and shell flight time. Anyway, in game terms Radar would increase your visibility range perhaps even give you an RNG buff, but it will NOT increase the range of your guns. As it didn't do so in reality. The only thing that actually increased gun range is gun elevation and changes in shell design or powder charges. The whole Duke of York thing only partially covers the truth, as in that most of that action took place at a range of 11km, which is pretty much point blank range for BBs. DoY had the advantage because she kept her radar active and detected Scharnhorst from a range of 41km, while Scharnhorst kept it deactivated in an attempt not to be spotted. The actual PEW-PEW part only started at 11km. Did radar help during Guadalcanal? Yes, it did! But once again, that was a battle (I take it you're talking about the 2nd battle of Guadalcanal with the BBs involved) fought over ranges within 10,000 yards (around 9km), that's even closer than the one with Scharnhorst. In that battle radar gave the Americans the edge in nightfighting, but it had nothing to do with increasing their range. TL;DR: Optical rangefinder is part of FCS, which was not replaced. Radar has nothing to do with gun range but with accuracy (RNG).

...I wasn't aware that they had radar in WW1... And her main rangefinders were never upgraded during her many upgrades. And while radar during WW2 was nice, it was only in the later years that it was somewhat accurate enough to allow blind fire, and even then at extreme range the hit ratio never exeeded the single digits.

-Author’s note: this is the censored version of the original text…just imagine colourful words in the <<CENSORED>> tags. Didn't want this post to get Vukked This guide is a sequel to my Manly guide to Battleships.- Ah, more recruits! Welcome, welcome! Good of you to join me! JAMES! BRANDY FOR THESE YOUNG LADS!*James walks in and hands everyone a glass of the finest and manliest brandy this world has ever seen* Right, now that we are all settled, let me tell you about the glorious manliness that is battleships! Forget about those dastardly and pitifull destroyers, those aircraft spamming abominations or even those puny crui…*door slams open* U <<CENSORED>> WOT M8?!?!?! *sigh* Ah, my dear brother Charles, how nice of you to join us… U DARE CALL CRUISERS PUNY YOU <<CENSORED>> <<CENSORED>>?!?!? I SWEAR ON ME MUM I’LL STOMP YOU GOOD! OUR mum, Charles, OUR mum. For god’s sake, at least try and speak the Queen’s language properly! <<CENSORED>> THE QUEEN! And what’s this you guys are drinking *sniffs* brandy?? BRANDY?!?!? REAL MEN DRINK BEER! DRINK BEER! SAIL FAST! DIE YOUNG! LEAVE A <<CENSORED>> HANDSOME WRECK! Charles, no need for shouting, we’re right here…and that beer belly of yours is hardly something worthy of the term “handsome”… I’M NOT <<CENSORED>> SHOUTING!!!!!! Dear lord, and mind your language for Christ’s sake! Eeeeeeehw, did I offend his holiness’s sense of language?? Did it get your manly beard in a twist? Well…<<CENSORED>> YOU! That’s it! Charles, I’m afraid you have to leave! JAMES! Remove this repulsive person calling himself my brother!*James walks in, mauser in hand* Very good sir, sir Charles, would you be so kind to follow me? Eeeehw, vewwy well ser…<<CENSORED>> YOU!*James gets smacked on the head with a conveniently placed folding chair, instantly going KO* JAMES! Charles, this is truely despicable of you! Aaaaaahw “despwikabwe” HERE HAVE SOME MORE OF YOU MANLY-BRANDY! *Mr. Manly gets instaKO’ed by a Manly bottle of Manly-Brandy to the head* RIGHT! So you puny little bastards think you’re “manly” eh? Too good for anything smaller than a “manly battleship”, eh? WELL! LET ME SHOW YOU THE ERROR OF YOUR <<CENSORED>> WAYS! But first…BEER! JAMES! WE NEED…oh…right, he’s KO. Well luckily I’ve got me private supply with me! *Empties a can of beer in one go* Aaaah, much better! Right! So, mister “manly” here was going to tell you about how “manly” battleships are, right? Well..HE’S <<CENSORED>> WRONG! Never forget: battleships are for those who need to compensate for a lack of something, destroyers are for those unable to afford anything bigger and carriers…well, the bearded idiot was right about those. We do NO talk about carriers! What about cruisers, you ask? Cruisers, my friends, are like a cold pint of beer after a hard day at work. There are many kinds and come in all shapes and sizes, but when used at the right place and time…it’s like <<CENSORED>> MAGIC! Some say that cruisers are a jack-of-all-trades-master-of-none kind of ship and they, sadly, aren’t wrong about this. No, we do not have the big guns, no we do not have the endless layers of armor protection, no we do not have a gazillion torpedo launchers, but we DO have fast firing guns of up to 8” in size, and we can carry A <<CENSORED>> LOT OF THEM! We do have some armor to keep cruiser sized shells on the outside of our ship and we usually DO have torpedo launchers…well, except some ships the Yanks designed…silly colonials. First off, let’s get a few things out of the way: we have four types of cruisers – protected cruisers, armored cruisers, light cruisers and heavy cruisers. There are also battlecruisers but those are for the cruiser captains which were hit in the dingly bits and now have a need to compensate…if you know what I mean! So, armored cruisers and protected cruisers are older types. Protected cruisers only have an armored deck in terms of protection, while armored cruisers are also blessed with an armored belt. Examples of these ships are the Russian Aurora (pronounced: Aurarararararara), which is a protected cruiser, while the St. Louis is an armored cruiser. These older types are usually bristling with guns, and having more guns is <<CENSORED>> GOOD! Then there are light and heavy cruisers. The definition of these was thought up during the formulation of the various naval treaties. Short version of it: light cruisers have guns up to 6” in size, heavy cruisers have guns up to 8” in size. The term light or heavy cruiser says NOTHING over how much armor can be bolted onto the ship, especially late USN light cruisers had protection of a comparable level of that of heavy cruisers. So don’t let the name fool you. So, on to the good stuff! ALL THE <<CENSORED>> DAKKA! Did I say that cruisers can carry lots of guns? No? WELL, THEY <<CENSORED>> CAN! The current record holder of number of guns at this point is the Mogami, which can carry no less than fifteen 155mm guns! And is that a good thing? YOU BET YOUR SORRY [edited]IT IS! An old and wise man once said “moar dakka is the best kind of dakka!” and “there is no substitute for a large number of guns!”. Now, it’s not all fine and dandy though. While we generally have a lot of guns, they tend to be rather on the small-ish size. Sure, those silly Germans had their panzerschiffe, technically heavy cruisers, with 11” guns, but those were pretty much the exception to the rule. So, we have a lot of small guns, what else do we have? Well…RATE OF MOTHER<<CENSORED>> FIRE BI…eeeh…”sexy ladies”? Destroyers might say that they have the advantage in Rate of Fire (RoF), but no ship class can lay down a rain of lead as a cruiser can! Our ships can fire broadsides which would put F-ing Nelson to shame or can even look like machineguns when used correctly! We can out-DPS pretty much everything out there! Our alpha damage might be so-so, but we make up for it in sheer numbers! Didn’t hit that magazine of that ugly battleship? FIRE AGAIN! Missed again? YOU SCRUB! CLEAN THE TOILET I JUST BEFOULED…AND THEN FIRE AGAIN!!!!!! Anyway, you guys get the point. We can usually fire two to three salvos for every one salvo a BB can fire at you. Use that to your advantage! Hit true! And while we cannot hit hard, HIT A <<CENSORED>> LOT! So, that covers the guns…but that’s not all! We’re cruiser captains! We’re versatile! WE HAVE BLOODY TORPEDOES TO THROW AT OUR FOES! What do you mean, the American ships don’t? STOP INTERRUPTING ME! So, yes, torpedoes! Especially the Japanese cruisers…well…actually all the cruisers from all naval powers EXCEPT THE U.S OF <<CENSORED>> A (in general, there are exceptions) have torpedo launchers. And this is a GOOD thing! While they may reload slower than those on a DD, it gives us options. We can cover our retreat with a few spreads of torps, we can give larger targets some surprise underwater penetration when our shells might fail to penetrate the armor…and it just looks awesome! Just do NOT forget that you have them! Proper use of your torpedoes makes the difference between an average cruiser captain and a GOOD cruiser captain! But them yanks lack these torpedoes, don’t they? So what do they have that compensates for it? AA guns. A <<CENSORED>> LOT OF AA GUNS! Especially ships like the Cleveland, Baltimore and Des Moines can lay down a wall of AA fire that puts all other ships to shame. Do you like lots of DAKKA-DAKKA? Go and protect those nutjobs in BBs and protect their sorry asses from those pesky aircraft…and be sure to enjoy the fireworks! (enjoyed best in combination with a cool beer) So, that covers the weapons…what else do we have? Oh, right… SPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED!!!! With the exception of the older protected and armored cruisers, cruisers are built to go fast. We might not match the speed of those speedfreaks in Destroyers, but we have enough of it to…tactically withdraw from anything that is a big threat to us. Combine this with some good manoeuvrability and you’re good to go! Keep your speed up and start zigzagging randomly LIKE A <<CENSORED>> BOSS to evade incoming shells. What else do we have? Hmm…well, the sexy looks are obvious, ofcourse… Let me finish by covering some info on ships worthy of note, some tips and some basic cruiser tactics St. Louis/Aurora These ships can only be described with one name <<CENSORED>> GOD! They have a eight-gun broadside out of a total of fourteen guns! Load these bitches up with AP and tear anything, cruiser or battleship, to shreds! DD’s ruining your view? Load up the HE and blow those suckers to smithereens! Phoenix Phoenix is an odd one, with her stock hull and first two upgrades she’s mediocre at best. She lacks the guns, and doesn’t have torpedoes with enough range to be effective. She is a fast one, though! However, get the last upgrade and your broadside gets a lot heavier! In her final form she’s a joy to sail in, you just have to undergo some torture before you get there. Aoba Aoba, in the current state of affairs, is a form of torture that puts <<CENSORED>> 50 shades of grey to shame! She lacks armor, she lacks a large number of guns…but she does have six 8” guns in a feeble attempt to compensate! Combine this with being put on the same tier as Cleveland and you’re royally <<CENSORED>>!...or are you? Aoba is HARD-MODE, only enjoyed by the most manly of men! Yes you are a <<CENSORED>> goldfish in a sea of sharks…BUT YOU’RE A <<CENSORED>> GOLDFISH WITH <<CENSORED>>-ING LAZORBEAMS STRAPPED TO YOUR HEAD! When aimed properly those 8” guns will HURT LIKE <<CENSORED>>! There is nothing more satisfying than sinking a Cleveland with an Aoba! It just takes a certain kind of person to enjoy it…usually dressed in skin-tight leather outfits…and with a fetish for whips. Cleveland Oh Cleveland…you’re so OP with your twelve rapid-firing 6” guns and wall of AA guns. Cleveland is a dirty pleasure which should be placed a few tiers higher…but just be sure to enjoy it while you can. Just do it… Mogami So I said cruisers were versatile, right? Well, Mogami is THE example of this fact. She can be armed with no less than fifteen 155mm guns, or ten 230mm’s, giving you the choice between a rapid firing rainstorm of small-ish shells, or a good broadside of lazors that, like those on Aoba, HURT LIKE <<CENSORED>>! Then you have four banks (two on each broadside) of triple torpedo launchers and you’re good to go! Des Moines This thing…is an abomination. It’s so bad…that it’s good. Nine 8” guns, which fire a salvo EVERY FIVE <<CENSORED>> SECONDS! Want a rain of metal death? Take a Des Moines! Tactics/tips DD’s are the natural foodsource for a cruiser. You are fast enough to intercept them, or at least scare them away. Do not leave that job for the BBs, those big-gunned morons are generally incompetent when it comes to DD swatting. So, load up on HE and start blasting away at these vermin! When fighting cruisers, it’s all fair game! But always take into consideration what ship he’s sailing. Does he out-DPM you? Stay at range where shells are easier to dodge. Do you out-DPM him? Close the range and blast him to bits! Does he have torps? Keep a good eye out for them! This might seem logical, but it’s easy to forget. The big hunt: fighting Battleships! Ah, these beasts be a worthy foe! Never, ever, EVER! forget that it may only take one or two good broadsides from a BB to send you to the dark below. NEVER get into close range, as his secondaries will tear you apart. Stay at range, keep performing evasive manoeuvres, pepper his hull with AP and pray to whatever god you like for a critical hit in his magazines. Others prefer to start by using HE to set him on fire and then switch to AP, be sure to experiment with this and find your own preferred tactic. Just NEVER forget your torps, your speed and your manoeuvrability and then, with equal parts of luck and skill, you’ll sink the blasted compensationist! Last but not least…carriers! The big hunt for the unloved and despised! Hunting carriers varies from which class you’re facing. Most are slower than you, some are actually capable of outrunning you. No matter which you face, once they realise that you’re coming for them, they’ll throw everything they have at you. Remember, the barrage function is your friend! Dodge those torps and boms, close in and blast the fool to Sunny Siberia™! Speaking of AA, beside hunting targets cruisers are exceptionally good at providing AA cover. We actually have the “Barrage Fire” skill that improves our AA gunnery for a short while and has the added effect of enemy bomber squadrons being unable to launch or drop their payload accurately. Are you in a division with a BB or CV and the enemy team has more carriers? Stick to your buddy and he’ll thank you later. If he doesn’t, shoot the bugger for he was clearly unworthy of your time. Well, that was about it…I see that my dear brother is coming around, so I’ll leave you in his intensive care…get it? Intesive care? No? Darn it, you guy clearly need more beer! Anyway, never forget! Cruiser love is good love and DRINK BEER! SAIL FAST! DIE YOUNG! LEAVE A <<CENSORED>> HANDSOME WRECK!

Well, it works the same as in WoT, you have to research EVERYTHING in order to elite something, and they have cross-branch stuff there as well (like from the KV line to the arty line) [EDIT]Ah, Shirio beat me to it... [/EDIT]

Can you post an image of your St. Louis modules? (You need to have them all researched before it goes elite)

Welcome to the test!

So, Tuccy made a topic for ships serving in WW2, but what about all those glorious ships of WW1? These old ladies require some loving too! Ofcourse, topicstarter kicks off! French dreadnought Courbet SMS Lützow SMS Thetis HMS Iron Duke SMS Scharnhorst SMS Baden HMS Monmouth

There is a general WG WoWs teamspeak server, the details are on the member page of the portal.

That's right! That miserable bunch of supertester once again can't do stuff right on their own, so we need your help! We (well, Shepbur and I) have seen, and heard of, a bug where a ship goes down to 0 hitpoints...yet does not sink. It becomes, for all intents and purposes INVINSIBLE. Making it impossible for the enemy team to win through killing the team. I have seen it happen once to a Kongo (see screenshot below) on the Fault Line map and I've heard reports/rumors of it happen to a Fuso. Question is: what causes this bug? My question to everyone is: have you seen this bug? If so, what were the circumstances (Which game version? What kind of ship was it? On which map? How did the ship die?) Was the player still ingame and communicating or not? OR did it happen to you? Any and all info is welcome as we would like to pinpoint the exact cause of this rather strange bug. The promised screenshot:

DP guns are guns which are capable of firing both at surface AND air targets. Another name for this is HA/LA (High Angle/Low Angle) guns.Ingame it means that if your ship has DP guns (and not all of them have DP guns) they are switched to AA mode and thus buffing your AA power. It must be said that the workings of DP guns (or: when they actually switch to AA mode) is still a bit vague. It could be that they only go in AA mode when the Barrage skill is activated...or not.

It looks like that the ship type isn't really the issue, even though we haven't had reports yet (or I must get my eyes checked) of DDs or CVs having this bug. Anyway, keep the info coming! If any of you encounter this bug the coming days, please remember to let us know what exactly happened! The earlier that we can let the demonic devs from Russia loose on this bug to get it fixed, the beter!

Space Battleship Yamato anyone?

Ok, so what we know so far: Maps involved: Fault Line and Islands of Ice Ships involved: Kongo, Fuso, Pensacola, Cleveland and ??? (get the feeling it's not ship related) Happened when: massed fire from multiple directions, torpedo hits, ??? Other variables: might be connected to connection issues or client issues? Feel free to add!

Thank you, we've been experimenting with killing the client at the moment that the ship was sunk, but that has proven fruitless so far. But that doesn't mean that it's not the cause! Any info you can dig up is more than welcome!

Thank you! It's stuff like this that we're looking for. But do you have some more details? Was it against players or bots? Was your ship suffering from fire/flooding effects etc?

One personal observation with a Kongo (but was too late to determine the way how the ship "died"), one vague report that it happened to a Fuso, but no more info than that. Thus that we decided to ask the community for help on this matter.

Already tried that with no succes.

That is the thing, it has been reported, is has been sighted...but in order to fix it we need to reproduce it. And we need more information in order to do that. And capping out is just ignoring a bug that needs fixing, so that's no option for a tester...

Quick answer: unknown.

Depends on how (un)lucky you are I guess, I had multiple level 2 or 3 fires in my IJN cruisers after being hit by a HE broadside from a BB. At this point flooding is caused by torps and ramming. Ofcourse these mechanics are still being tweaked so I wouldn't rule out shells causing flooding in the future.

It does when compared to a level 1 fire. Level 3 fires (three flame symbols on your ship) tends to burn away HP just as fast as flooding though.

You can find the closed beta section HERE

At this point you'll only see the extensive battle results by staying in that battle until the end. Otherwise it's just the small result popup you get in port.

Hi and welcome! 1. No, the CBT has no NDA 2. There is a Closed Beta Test forum section where you can post your bugs. The more information you can supply (screenshots, steps to reproduce etc) the better! 3. Any and all feedback is welcome! 4. Good question...and is still an unknown at this point. I guess only the WG guys know how and when we'll get piasters.