Elgerino

Is this your life now? You stalk me on the forums and slap your tiny e-peen on the table wherever possible in an attempt to...what? Demonstrate again my wider girth and length?

You didn't answer him in even the slightest capacity. If the system needs to outnumber you with donkeys on one side, good players on the other, this system cannot create a 50% win rate for everyone. It makes losing players lose and more good players than normal win, which just compounds the problem such a system is supposed to solve. It may well cycle players constantly, but in any case the system is going to give the advantage to more good players and disadvantage more bad players just to drag specific players down. This surely over-time creates more disparity not less. That's assuming it even exists, as Xevious pointed out such a system is not referred to in the patent and as it's been pointed out plenty of times before, patent =/= reality.

I should point out that the patch notes are a terrible reference for ship balancing. So much crap is never included, they're always woefully incomplete.

Not fooling anyone. As for the patent, one saintly patient person went as far as quoting back every single relevant piece of the patent and challenging you to point out where exactly in any of it a single line backed up your position. I can see why it would be difficult for you to try, seeing as this text we're all apparently too illiterate to read is imaginary. I don't remember claiming I was better than anyone who claims MM was rigged. Did I even claim I was better than you? I don't remember, though I'd be right by a long way if I did. I doubt it though, unlike you I don't replace evidence based reasoning with a stat based ego war I can only lose because I'm too conceited to realise I'm not as great at the game as I think.

No-one posted anything that said the system was rigged, especially in the way you claim. You don't need to be on a list to be ignored, those who don't make a convincing case for their accusations tend to be ignored regardless. Enjoy.

Only if you consider demanding actual evidence trolling, then I really have had enough.

The 4.1 review video says that starting this patch they're introducing an algorithm that adjusts the tiers a player is matched with if MM gives them too many games as a low-tier ship. This would seem to suggest that A: This system is in it's infancy compared to WOT and it's no longer credible to say WoWs has the same system and B: That the system is other-wise random, adjustments are only just coming in now and still do nothing to screw over better players. A debate with someone who claims an intangible truth but is unwilling to provide any evidence is a complete waste of time. We might as well argue the existence of God. You believe what you believe and you think it's an immutable truth because well, why would the world operate in any other way but how you see it? There's no arguing with someone who thinks like that.

Your stats show you don't have enough of an understanding of the game to say it's impossible for you to be hit so consistently. Ask yourself what separates you from players with much higher stats.

Known scam. Which you would know if you'd spent more than ten seconds on the forum, been active in the community and possessed enough self awareness to realise you're being hit because you don't know how to dodge correctly. You seem to believe other-wise, but even when the aim mod was possible it didn't take turning into account and neither would any aim bot. Your failures are your own cross to bear.

You're just not a good player, this is an L2P issue.

Maybe you didn't read his posts before they were edited, but lemme assure you I wasn't the one trolling. If he had a point he must have communicated it to you in private messages, because he certainly didn't here. In fact, his opinion was that we were brainfarts, butthurt and far too moronic/stupid, unworthy of hearing his point but apparently just laudable enough to hear him spout endless ''trolling'' and insults for three pages. You talked about why these discussions fail. They fail because of people like him and your willingness to defend him just because he was on your side, even if his position was intellectually vacuous. If you don't have the hard evidence to show that MM is rigged, just admit it for christs sake.

I'm holding a betting pool on how many times Naskoni calls Red butthurt and mentions brainfarts. PM for details.

Yeah, no-one here cares what you say is in the patent. Just as no-one would care if you claimed you high-fived Darth Vader at a pool party with Jesus and Kim Jong-un, it's a case of screenshot or it didn't happen. All that matters is what you can show is in the patent. You can't show but two things, jack and crap. So your side have lost the debate. Everything else you've said since then has been rationalisations and face saving, whilst we gently and sometimes not so gently try to coax the information out of you, because if it is rigged and you can prove it we'd like to know too. Only one explanation for why you wouldn't, buddy. You're not just protecting your ego in this two page face saving debacle, you're protecting the excuses you need for your shitty performance. This facade that you're a good player has to be preserved, after all.

With the way you carry on it's hardly surprising they get deleted. How many times a sentence is it necessary to call someone stupid, a moron and butthurt to get the message across I wonder? But that's the thing about having a schoolyard intellect, you believe the more times you say something the more effective it is when in reality the opposite is true. Your posts bite like a whip of feathers.

Convenient. So this magical affirming text is both in (and not in) the patent and in threads which have since disappeared, but you won't repeat because everyone who disagrees with you is just clueless trolls and because it won't address another perfectly valid argument, which is for some reason our problem not yours. You are something else, a faberge egg of denial and delusion. It's alright though, you put a trollface next to everything so you'll always be able to convince yourself you weren't lying per say, just trolling.

All you can do is fling insults and invent evidence that magically justifies everything you've said but apparently can't cite. You've spent roughly 20 times more effort trying not to cite it when you could've just got it over with. Sad. The only person you're fooling is I'd wager yourself. On the skilless and insecure part, projecting much?

I love how this is the case the whiners choose to believe what WG says word for word, even when it's obvious such a MM system wouldn't work as intended in this game. Just because you've claimed ownership of the concept, doesn't mean the concept works. Matchmaking is not an exact science and any statistic taken on it's lonesome is arbitrary. The system is effectively random, in any case. Even the coming ranked match system arbitrarily ranks up players based on win streaks, which happen often through chance alone. You're gonna see donkey's galore at the top bracket. Accept it, the world isn't out to get you and steel beams can be weakened enough by jet fuel to cause a collapse through thermal expansion and structural weakness.

He definitely can't. I believe the technical term for his current intellectual position is ''Full of crap.''

If I patent human wings, do I therefore grow wings?

I dunno. How many times do you want to lose this particular pissing contest? I'm happy to oblige. Your win-rate in the thread so far makes your stats look positively godlike.

Exactly. Clearer and more concise than I managed, perhaps I'm a bit too wordy.

Oh, stopped with the stats have we? Your argument seems to be that you're SO special everyone has to bow down to your point of view even when you refuse to provide evidence. Not gonna fly. The rational people in this thread have already decided that the system doesn't do what you or OP have claimed, prove us wrong or keep schtum. That's exactly the point. Whilst he leaves his argument ambiguously obfuscated it leaves things unresolved, which is better than where he's heading if he shows his hand. Decisive defeat.

Yeah, you have played a lot more BB's as a proportion. Which makes your damage even more embarrassing for you. Anyway, let's talk about experience. Let's assume for a second that I have always had premium (I haven't) and you have never had it (I doubt that.), skewing things in as much your favour as possible. I still have 1180 odd average experience versus your 900. Blah blah rationalisation this, blah blah rationalisation that. Insecurity those and insecurity these. FYI, that trollface isn't making you look like less of an idiot. I don't expect anything unreasonable, just a quote and a short analysis to show me the evidence you're basing your claims on. It's only unreasonable for you if you're making this up. So chop chop.

Desperate would be calling back to another argument to find more ammunition here, seeing as you've clearly run out. Desperate would be donning the troll facade to save face in a debate you thoroughly lost. Desperate would be putting the burden of proof on the other guy when you're the one making accusations. Desperate would be clinging to your stats, which FYI do not paint a good picture about your playstyle, instead of rational argument. Yeah, it's a good job you've got that KDR to cling to. Shame about the damage, the win rate, the experience and the accuracy. But don't worry, that .15 extra KDR makes up for your terrible performance in every other area. All I see is blah blah rationalisation this, blah blah rationalisation that. Insecurity those and insecurity these.

No mention of the fact that just about every ship we have in common I'm better than you with? Man, if I made a post about your failings we'd be here all day. ''I don't require proof because I'm special, my own experience should be enough.'' ''The patent doesn't actually describe a system that constantly screws over better players, nor does OP's stats suggest the system is doing this in any case.'' Wait, that's you isn't it? Do you even know how you sound? The desperation is palpable. Only someone who's desperate would claim they can crush my argument, then cycle off a bunch of rationalisations why it's not worth his time, then waste said time with this level of schoolyard pettiness.