Altharius

Submarines should not have a place in WoWS. I won't play with or against submarines.

The way WG.net has devolved the past few years saddens me... And I've been around for a long time (WoT closed beta).

I'll giver her a try tomorrow to see if you are correct. Don't use her that often anymore :)

Why not have both?

Why can't the RB uniques AND the mission variation both have a chance? RB only seems like a very bad idea.

This ship is terrible against tier VI, never mind the uselessness against tier 7. This ship needs to be either: - Buffed into usefullness (usefull AA, better HP pool. I mean, I do not see any way of "getting gud" in it due to lack of speed/HP/AA) - reduced to tier IV (where it belongs with the current performance) - Refunded. This is not worth the money I spent on it. It's trash as it is now.

CTD every game I start after a couple of minutes in the battle. great job!

Well, compare to Konig Albert at Tier 3. VU is tier 4. Genova can be good in tier 5-6. Not tier 7 though, unless you can stay in 2nd row aiding other duels.

In short: - you are not fast enough to angle your already weak armour. - you are too slow to play any meaningfull tactics - the guns woun't scare a tier 1 cruiser - the HP pool is tier 3 worthy, not tier 5 - the accuracy of said guns is abysmal - the penetration of said guns is laughable (ran into a half dead burning bayern while I was at full health. Guess who won and who still had roughly half health without using a repair.) THIS SHIP IS THE WORST SHIP EVER! i am an average player (50% w/l), but this piece of crap won't perform in any decent manner.

Played a few more rounds hoping the ship could improve. Nope. Can't stand up to any BB tier 5 and above. Even crousers laugh at my ship. Carriers get all misty eyed at the damage farimg to be done. My teammates downvote my reputation for being effectivly one ship short. It's so insanely stupid to put this tub in tier 5.

Simple solution: Put the ship back in tier IV.

Compare it to other Tier IV/V BB. October Revolution (V, 12x12"), Texas (V, 10x14"), Arkansas Beta (IV, 12x12"), Imperator Nicolaj (IV, 12x12"), Guilio Caesare (V10x13,4"), Ishizuchi (IV, 10x12"). Where would it belong? Hell, I think the König Albert (III, 10x11") would kick the VUs [edited]due to usefull armour. In my VU I start sweating when I see anything that is not a CA. Not a good ship at all. it should have been a tier IV, otherwise it needs a major buff in AA/sigma/penetration.

Sub will destroy the game. I've seen the introduction of submarines decimate the player population of another navy game years ago (NavyField). Please don't.

I look at my Yamato's AA compared to before 8.x.x and I cry.

Just imagine the shitstorm if/when they introduce submarines (heaven forbid). Counters to those will be nigh impossible.

next patch: 0.8.0.1.1.1

Since nothing is holy anymore and the nerf bat is flying, what about those shellspam CA's... They seem to rule a lot of the top tier games. Worcester, DM, Minotaur and comparable CA/CL seem to be abundant in tier 10. Thoughts?

have a look then. At one point there were 3 BB's and a DD targeting my smoke at under 10km.

True, statistics prove more over longer samples. But for a first round in a new ship it shows the learning curve is quite easy for this type of ship.

They should be looked at. Just unlocked minotaur. It's a 0 skill ship. My first round results below: Please note: Dreadnought in a CL. PS: I had GK/Yamato for ages now. Didn't play them a lot because of HE meta. Trying to unlock the legendaries.

Troll much? Way to go disqualify yourself in a discussion. Back to sensible discussions.

CV feels balanced now. The amount of planes I shoot down are getting closer to pre-0.8.x.

Player retention seems important at this point. But do they choose "new" players or those that have stuck with the game since before the beginning?

Maybe make islands destructible? XD The lobbing of shells over islands makes it a bit, well, complicated. Especially when 2 or more spam CA's group up. The solution would be team play, but the meta now is run away and hide. It seems a bit too passive to my liking.

Great agrument, please go on. For the non-trolls: The combination of spam and smoke seems a bit much. I remember Iwaki alpha bing a ca with smoke. Seemed op, wasn't because they couldn't spam as much. Mino is maybe a bad example, but Worcester/Dm etc that spam HE and light countries ablaze might be.