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Hello. I find Scharnhorst terribly lacking. I mean, i know it has torps, yet they are very rare to be used unless you charge in. So lets say alright, lets charge in, but your guns' pen is lacking terribly. And not only your guns' pen but also the accuracy is terrible. I am well aware it's a battlecruiser but i find it terrible to play with and if i look at tier 7 bbs, most of them have higher caliber guns, an average 30 seconds reload, true, but also a dispersion lower than Scharnhorst's. It makes it terrible for money grinding as well, you don't deal that damage. If i look at my Nelson, i love playing it and the dispersion is so lovely. I agree about the RNG thing but i think the Scharnhost deserve a decent buff over the guns because it's a terribly lacking tier 7 battlecruiser. It really isn't real good at anything especially, it's just the reload. I just want it to be decently playable and i get utterly frustrated with most of my accuracy. What do you guys think?

Hello. I know they are being tested and all. But honestly, i think they are far from deadly enough, given how easy it is to die in them. And if your team cannot hold a frontline, you are dead fish, unless you do magic. I think everyone focuses on submarines but i don't think they deal enough damage for people to be afraid of. Everyone spams depth charges, with little to no care on the cooldown. If the enemies cooldown doesn't matter, so shouldn't yours

You're not paying attention. The cooldowns you have on how you can nail me down have no impediment on your general gameplay. Is it so hard to follow the text before posting a biased idea formed through hate? Don't you get it that if your enemy is weak, there's no glory in his defeat? Right now hunting submarines is like hunting ducks and also playing wows. And also getting the rewards for killing an entire ship for it

That statement is absurd. You need to have the highest awareness. You can only aim frontally or behind yourself in case of american subs. If a dd is in your close proximity, which can happen often if you don't have said level of awareness, you will most certainly die. People can spam depth charges at you with no impediment into their gameplay whatsoever. And what do i get? a ship that isn't that deadly, and unless your positioning is that of professional, which takes you at least 5 minutes of gameplay, you need to take at least another 2 to 3 minutes of gameplay to kill a ship. Even more so, if your enemy knows his things, he can dodge you and nulify you often

So a whole type of ship should be concern to a nation? A nation that only has cruisers atm A depth charge from a bb can very easily destroy a sub, whileas a sub takes a couple of minutes, whileas, all other ships can manage to kill another ship in an order of 1-2 minutes of continous fire DDs counter subs, it's only natural a sub should counter a bb. What i'm saying is, loads of battleships can manage a fight against a sub for a long while, long enough for the said submarine to: -Be found out by a dd, -Be found out by a plane, -Be found out by another sub, And then get rekt by depth charges

Yeah well that's the thing, it deserves a rework

Glad to hear so! Thank you!

Because the last perks lowers the dispersion to around 220m theoretically. A thing you haven't considered, while you already have considered me not aiming properly when it's not rocket science

I know that's what i am supposed to do in those cases, this is what i'm telling you. I really don't hit with those guns. I should snipe with a battlecruiser? Using the last perk?

So if i am 1v1 against a bb that's just angled against me i'm gonna shot HE and miss 4 or 5 out of my shots if he's going straight forward to me? While he's gonna point 4 or 6 cannons towards me, that are gonna hit harder than mine and penetrate and deal 3-4k dmg? While i can hardly even deal 760 if i shot AP and hardly gonna hit anyway

Yeah, but if you miss the angle, you're not gonna deal damage with the 283 compared to any other guns. The other guns can deal some damage more often than the Scharnhorst's.

Not only Lyon has bigger guns and 16 of them. Also 232 stock dispersion

It has the worst accuracy between all tier 7 bbs with the lowest of guns tho

No,mate, some videos are from the public test server with 8,7k alpha damage as well.Half of the video has parts from the public test.I am not braindeadly whining,come on.

Learn what ? To lower my dispersion ? Come on !!! Nonsense,please stop it.The Scharnhorst in atsf's has way better dispersion,it's very playable. Any other german CRUISER has a way better dispersion ( definetly,yea,nothing new) ,way better reload and sort of the same penetration,and the cruisers' rate of fire make up for the damage anyway.

Godlike guns ? Really ? When you can't hit a dd at 1 km away from you cause guns just go everywhere around it ?Do not claim the guns are godlike,guns are the only thing that suck big time on Scharnhorst.Just a better dispersion,with 20 metters or something and it's going to be decent enough, but with this dispersion,damn,you have some terrible matches. @shadowwolf "guns extremely reliable" - are we talking about the Scharnhorst's guns ? No way,those guns are the least reliable guns after North Carolina's .

Come on now, if you don't have enough luck,you can't shoot anything with that dispersion, don't tell me you "aim correctly" and "prioritize targets and so on" cause with this dispersion IT DOESN'T WORK unless you are lucky enough.

Honestly,if the guns would have a decent dispersion,no one would complain about it,but it has the worst dispersion of tier 6-7 bbs and it just doesn't help.It's frustrating and not reliable on.

@mtm78 ,i was rude and i am sorry,i was too bu**hurt to be rational in my respone. The only thing that's upsetting me is the dispersion,it makes it so unreliable and it becomes frustrating and it can ruin a lot of matches.I'd say something but be done about it.I don't mind half the alpha and pinpoint dispersion.Or, i don't know,but the actual guns are way too frustrating.Despite of your skill you cannot aim where you want and the possible damage doesn't really help you.In an actual 1v1 or group fight with only very skilled players a scharnhorst is the least useful.

Never claimed to know it all."Supertester" doesn't mean "acces to all information".I am not complaining about the damage,i want a decent dispersion for not-so-capable guns anyway.You instantly started talking about my skill.Look, i'm mostly playing with battleships and some cruisers.I know a battleship's gameplay,i know a cruiser's gameplay.Scharnhorst has the dispersion worse than any tier 6-7 battleship and the penetration close to cruiser-like ones.I don't want to fight,really,now,though you've upset me when you atacked my skill,come on,now.It has terrible dispersion and that just doesn't make it good enough.

Look at the video,check the amazing dispersion,also the alpha was 8600 not 7600,come on, you can simply look at the video and compare to how it is in game...but meh,it's easy to comment and deny than actually think

The spread is awful,the penetration is close to awful.It has the worst dispersion of tier 6 and 7 ships.Stop talking about the old Scharnhorst.This one has been nerfed big time.

Aye,exactly,it's been nerfed,big time.

I have a huge problem, about the RNG, and i am asking you lot, if it ever feels or happens to you: Day 1: Shooting in X way, everything goes fine, citadels over citadels(with battleships) Day 2: Shooting in the same X way, i don't hit anything. I just do not get it.Is it me, am i crazy or is there some RNG truly controling my aim day by day ? I truly hit the same way, daily, one day it goes kaboom devastating strikes all day long, next day feels just the opposite.No citadels or anything.

I have more but i think those are enough to show that BBs don't have problems both dealing massive amount of damage and performing well in game, it's just not as easy as it's for cruisers spamming HE from their max range but once you know what you are doing you will bring the pain, and lots of it. I have some of those as well, but they are not constant which makes it for a RNG to dwell somewhere