Kazomir

How about it's allready bad firepower?

Or, you might just be a good player, dunno.

These changes are outrageous but dont affect me (or affect me positively) as I play my US destroyers... Long live the DD spam! Also one more thing, doesn't that make the US destroyers' B and C hull, which are supposed to have more AA power, actually have less? Because they remove one of the DP guns and add some small guns? Anyway, we will have to wait and see how it will turn out.

Not everybody has to be an MLG Pro Champion. His claims are in line with his profile except the 3-4 kills per game thing, which can be percieved as a viewer's bias. As I said, Guy is just asking for advice.

What troll? Seems to me you are the troll. Guy is just asking for an advice.

''Deal with it'' Is not really a good argument. Just sayin.

When playing BBs, use AP. Aim at the enemy ship's centre next to the waterline. Most importantly, Angle your armor and vary your speed, and you will do fine. Learn to recognize the signs of an impending stealth-torpedo attack too. Will save your life numerous times. Cruisers in this game are generally weaker than Battleships. On the IJN line I'd say only Kuma and maybe Tenryu are better than their BB tiermates.

In random it is not such a problem because there are more ships per team and losing one due to a rare occurance is not crippling. But in 7v7 format it is. This sheer mechanic brings more grief than fun and I wonder why a game would have it in. Okay, in WoT it is more acceptable, because hitting a tank's ammo rack requires some sort of knowledge of tank layouts and aiming skill, but in Ships? You have minimal control over where your shells land, except in very close range.

And next game I got detonated... Its like the game has decided I need to lose as much as possible. these flags arent limitless you know.

I have to agree the Smith looks really fun. I will do my best to get my hands on one if it has a reasonable price.

Imo the rest of the cruisers should be brought in line with mogami not vice versa.

Cut them some slack they are slow as sin.

It's because high tier cruisers are crap and nobody does anything about it. Zao excluded.

Lets hope for some, you know, REAL, non-premium lines. Or at least some god-damn teasers about them would be good!

You meant ranges are high. So high in fact a cruiser cant even shoot before getting shot by a battleship and has to retreat.

Im not talking about pure broadise showing. Cruisers doing that SHOULD be dead cause they deserve it. Im talking about maneuvering away from a battleship, and when my stern literally faces him, he sprays me with a salvo, one of the shells grazes my ship and deals 10k damage. And yeah I know that sounds dirty but it happens too often to be fun. That is why I think cruisers, and especially IJN ones, need shrinking to their citadel area or some sort of other survivability buff. Like AP citadel hits to cruisers do 75% of max Ap damage instead of 100% or something like that. Its just not fun to get one or two-shotted. In any game. And in this game especially when BBs do it even before you have a chance to get in range to fire your own guns. Makes you feel weak as hell.

the 20km example was a stretch, but it happens, and at ranges of around 15km it happens a LOT more. Often the BB lucks out and one or two stray shells hit you and one citadels you, DOES NOT MATTER HOW MUCH YOU TRY TO AVOID. Had a game in my Fuso where I double-citadelled an Omaha at a range of 20km and instantly killed him at the start of the game. Is this fun for him?

My "Main" Which I abandoned, because of the poor choices I made led me to have no money and no moneymaking ships. Had Myoko and Atago (played only pre-buff) as highest cruisers. Atago had 48k damage on average, and I really did not have fun playing it, since no matter how much I angle and wiggle I got citadelled from BBs at all ranges. Same story with Myoko. Sold them both. I like selling crap I have no fun in using. Also sold an Atlanta and Murmansk. Murmansk was fun for a time, had 200 games in it. Then... Then, akin to the OP, I tried IJN BBs. Got ahold of the Kongo, got 67k damage on average with it (Compared to 50k average on a Murmanks, now you see why I sold it ) . Fuso, after that, I think 77k damage on average. Fuso in particular just decimates any cruiser, be it tier 4 or tier 8, does not matter. All my BBs had way better survivability than my CL/CAs. Most notable example is in my Kongo when I wound up in the middle of two destroyers at VERY close range, less than 2km ( I think Izyaslav and Derzky), ate 1 torp and rammed them both one after the other and survived to tell the tale.

So you decided to "tank" with your tier 8 BATTLECRUISER in a tier 10 game. Amagi does not have much armor at all, what were you thinking even? You'd have had the same result trying to "Tank" in a Mogami. Only worse mistake I can possibly think of is sailing with your Yamato through the channel between the islands on Two Brothers, and even then one has a chance of dealing more than 15k damage. Angling your BB is easy, at least for me. Luck is way less dependable if you are driving a cruiser.

Experience. Your described playestyle is the best possible for a cruiser, but it often works only untill an enemy BB sees you and starts shooting. In your last reply you told me that BBs are meant to deal more damage, with wich I agree, but what about survivability? Cruisers die too fast in my opinion. It is not fun watching half your health go away just cause some dude 20km away lucked out. The reason is that being hit in the citadel is equal in damage to being hit by a torpedo from a japanese DD, and those are much more easier to avoid (and less in number) than BB salvos fired at you.

Okay, what is the role of the CA class in the higher tiers, say tier 5-6 and up? Because I really dont see any. Chase and kill DDs? Tough, you get spotted by the DD way before you spot him and the enemy BBs make short work of you. Plus DDs are faster than you. US DDs are way better at DD hunting. Protect BBs from Carriers? Maybe, IF THERE WERE ANY CARRIERS. And even if there are, most will just switch their target. And with upcoming AA changes, reducing AA ranges, I dunno. Carriers themselves are better plane hunters than cruisers. The only cruiser that has a role in higher tiers is the Zao and it is a role of harrasment\ Only reason tier 3-4 cruisers are kinda competitive are because BBs at those tiers are crap.

I still think BBs are far easier to play and do more damage with (and survive more) . And I think there are statistics to back my claim up.

Indeed Zao has my respect. Still not Yamato level of dangerous but a respectable and competitive cruiser.

Cleveland and Aoba vs New Mex and Fuso, Mogami and Atago vs Amagi, Ibuki vs Izumo (kay both are mediocre) there is really no ground for comparison. BBs dont have most natural enemies, since their most natural enemies, DDs and CVs, often focus eachother instead and cancel eachother out. A CA has to watch out for enemy BBs that can Citadel the oblivion out of them, they have to watch out for enemy CAs that can also set them on fire OR citadel them, and DD and CV are no less threat to them than they are to BBs.

CAs from tier 5 and up cant even compare to BBs. Truth is most of the enemies you will see in a battle are either CAs or BBs, and BBs are a lot more adept at dealing damage to these two classes. DDs and CVs are often a threat to a BB, but you will find that they are no smaller threat to a Cruiser aswell, and sometimes DDs and CVs on both teams cancel eachother out, so a BB does not have to worry. CAs have much more natural enemies than a BB.