Lasalle

C'est moi ou pour effectivement remporter le Prinz Eitel Friedrich il faut dans la dernière directive remporter 4 000 000 de crédits avec 6 nations (soit l'ensemble des nations F2P) différentes avec au moins des T5 et ce en 20 jours max (et après avoir remporter les autres directives of course) ?

You know that the performance usually go down with the number of battle played :). But please, answer me on those facts : "Alsace has the smallest gun and worst penetration, range, sigma, damages and reload of its class… and just 3 guns more are not enough to compensate. Its guns are even a downgrade from the Richelieu which has better range and with the Alsace’s nerf, better accuracy and reload. Seriously, how is that a thing the T8 has better guns that the T9 ?!" data : https://wowsft.com/shipStatComparison you can compare with Lion and Iowa : sigma Alsace 1.6 (T7 Lyon sigma) against 1.8 and 1.9 with better range (not by far for Lion but it has spotting aircraft) and better penetration (with is normal since they have bigger gun) and now better rate of fire (which is not). I don't doubt you are a far better player than I am, but post nerf Alsace is now behind Lion and Iowa, not on the same level.

You realize that thoses figures confirm what I said ? ;) "For the performing part : the Alsace has never been the T9 BB with the better average damages, win rate, average frags, experience, planes destroyed or kill/death : 6 categories, not one first place = Alsace wasn’t a OP ship at all in the first place." Silver isn't golden, if you want to nerf a ship, nerf the first no ?

Sorry but I don't think you have played enough with the nerfed Alsace to say that (no wrong intended). Alsace has the smallest gun and worst penetration, range, sigma, damages and reload of its class… and that before the nerf. Its guns are even a downgrade from the Richelieu which has better range and with the Alsace’s nerf, better accuracy (even if Richelieu’s accuracy is trollish) and reload. Seriously, how is that a thing the T8 has better guns that the T9 ?! The 12 guns were a compensation for these flaws, now that the accuracy is a joke (yesterday on stationary full broadside ships : Conqueror 15km, 13km, 9km : 3 salvos not even 1 shell out of 4 touched the ship; Saint Louis 7km : 2 shells on the ship. Iowa at 6km : took me four entire salvo (2 min) to sink it because my shells just didn’t go to the target anymore => every time I was aiming for the ship center, not even trying a citadel) and the reload of 380mm is longer than 460mm (Musashi), the ship is now indeed a bad BB for its tier. It’s not the Isumo of course but it’s definitely a below average ship, Lion HE spamming/repair and Iowa range/accuracy make them better BB (not even talking about Missouri and Musashi OPnest) . The 12 guns just do not compensate for all the issues coming with them anymore. As I am doom to play it to get the République I will stay in the back letting other taking the shells it’s a shame for the gameplay to have destroyed the only T9 BB brawler. The good torpedo protection, AAs and the secondaries (which aren’t free but deserve a lot of captain points and are more fun than efficient) can’t make a BB worth playing when the guns are not shooting straight and you are a giant target for HE smash. For the performing part : the Alsace has never been the T9 BB with the better average damages, win rate, average frags, experience, planes destroyed or kill/death : 6 categories, not one first place = Alsace wasn’t a OP ship at all in the first place. Btw, I have played the République (Paris during the star wars event) and it’s a very good ship, not a Yamato, nor a G.K. and of course not a Conqueror (speaking of well deserve nerfs…) but it’s better than the pre-nerfed Alsace, no doubt about that. When every nation got their buff and french get the nerf, it’s not balancing the game it’s just some good old french bashing.

Best answer :) Tbh, stay away of every french ships. I was playing nearly only for french ships, I will probably stop playing them since WG is destroying it (nerf coming on Charles Martel and Saint Louis and nerf on Emile Bertin and Alsace). To give some figures of my experience with the Alsace : Pre-Nerf : avg dam > 70k Post-Nerf : avg dam for 10 games arround 40k So if you don't want to invest time, effort and money to be screwed; just wait until WG is done raging about "their" Soccer World Cup

Thanks for yours precisions th3freakie (true I have played a lot of WoT but not so much of WoWS since the end of the beta^^) Poster : "In game Dunquerke has great shell grouping and amazingly low dispersion. Low for a BATTLESHIP. " No, just no. On the paper it's bad but not terrible but my issue is when I watch replay with Tirpizt or Gneisenau, which have higher dispersion value on their wiki, they have of course bad dispersion but it's seems to me that it's not as bad as the Dunkerque. Seems in game with other BB with, of course the fact that the shoot hit or not is on the player but the dispersion is about the ship and honestly Dunkerque guns are nearly irrelevant (which seems to be the opinion of most of youtube ship test). I was wondering if there was no mistake as there was on WoT on the AMX 40 for memory which had a speed in game which has never reach half the value presented ^^.

Hello, I just bought (first buy on WoW since the very begining of WOT) the ship a fews days ago I should have looked the IChase video before. Put it simply, the Dunkerque in the game is terrible and for several points its really looks like mistake from developpers. First visibility, ok the ship is big and spot easily which is perfectly normal (the "T10 camouflage special Dunkerque seems btw useless), however Dunkerque also have a high watchtower and should be able to see ennemies from a certain distance. When you are shooting a class V carreer at 8km and it just vanished you are just WTF ? Second, the speed issue. The max speed is 29.5 kn... which was the speed of the Strasbourg which had better armor. The Dunkerque speed was 31kn... Please fix this issue. Third and main issue : the guns ! Completly inaccurate ! Their is two points here, first the inaccuracy of the Dunkerque was a long distance shot (30km - 40km) problem due to gas issue, not a problem at 18km . Against a steady full flanked cruiser Dunkerque can't make more than 3 on 8 shot at 6 km (with a module putting max dispersion at 227m which seems correct on paper but the paper is misleading) which is stupid (sorry for my french). I have the feeling that the real dispersion is way upper than the 240 originaly stated. I have seen plently of ship which had more dispersion maximum but behave so much better in the actual game. With my 227 dispersion I may have only seen 4/4 shot accuratly landing one or twice for 30 games. I have two problems with this dispersion under 18km: 1) Either the 240m dispersion is an error (the real value is upper or the value isn't implemented on battle) or the average dispersion is way higher than on other battleship and this is an information you need to communicate when people are putting money on the line 2) This dispersion average is just historically incorrect : only at high degree of the turret (which we logically cannot do in WoWS) and caused by gas ejection which reduced the precision from one the two gun if he is fire rapidely after the first one. If their are shot at the seem moment (which is mandatory the case in the game), the problem just don't happen Last but not least the firepower. Globally HE beheave quitte good but AP are just a joke. On the stats side you see that Dunkerque has HE doing not too much damage but can put ennemy into fire very quickly which is both ok for the game balance and match the historical reality. However, the AP..... what a pity !!!!! My issue here is that the AP of the battleship are just irrelevant. When you hit (lucky you) the average damage of a AP shoot in battle is 1 000 HP and at this point it's an honest mistake from developpers or French bashing I don't know but it makes the ship basically useless (but WoWS thanks you for your money). For the REAL naval gun performance please check my words on : http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNFR_13-50_m1931.php (Dunkerque 330 mm) http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNGER_15-52_skc34.php (Bismarck 380 mm) http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_14-50_mk11.php (New Mexico 356 mm) http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNGER_11-545_skc34.php (Scharhorst 280 mm) You can the on the ammunition sida that the Dunkerque both in AP and HE have the best bursting charge (matched only by the tirpitz for HE) and should do the more damages. Both in stats and in battle that's not the case. Now looking on the range side... the best range also (yes that means the french 330 mm had better range than the Bismarck) And finally the armor penetration with AP ammunition: against side armor it's only second by the Tirpitz by arround 30 mm at 23 km the 330mm was able to penetrate 342mm side armor, which means I think every ship he is supposed to face in MM, so at 15km their should be no problems especially that the guns are able the fire long distance with reduced elevation with means more shoot on the belt and less on the deck.... well yes it should ^^. If game if the range is ok (doesn't matter with the dispersion), the penetration and average damage are generally close to non existant. which make both not sense historically and for the game balance. As a conclusion Dunkerque was supposed to be the fast battleship it was with high speed, good manoeuvrability, very powerful guns with consistent precision against few armor (citadel well protected, the rest of the ship not), no torpedo, very poor AA and large size. In the game the bad points are there as they should be. The good points have been destroyed which make a terrible ship. Please developpers fix this issue for the sake of the historical realilty, people money and game balance. Honestly it's the first time I buy a premium ship/tank/plane and I probably won't do that again, thanks for the experience.