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Funny enough. This is one of the Rare Cases where Randomness is Actually Realistic. Because in Reality there is Indeed an Increasing Chance of Ricochet the further Sloped/Angled an Armor Plate is. So Yes. I dont have any Qualms with that. In Theory Wargaming giving different Ricochet Angles is also not Wrong. Just that in Reality this would be Depending on the Ammo used. Older Solid Slug Ammo for example should Ricochet much easier than more Modern AP Shells etc. But thats a different Story and WG mostly uses it as a Gimmick so I doubt that will be Changed. What I have Qualms with is Purely the Idea that something would Warrant a Guaranteed Penetration Regardless of Circumstances or an Automatic Ricochet regardless of Circumstances :) Because that makes no Sense. In Reality. If the Yamato Fired from 10km away at a 19mm Armor Plate at 85 Degrees Angle the Shell would still be so Heavy and Powerful that it would Bend the Armorplate and thus not Ricochet. But at this Point the Armor in Reality would be Equal to something like 500-600mm of Steel Plating. And thus the Shell while Bending the Armor would still not be Guaranteed to Penetrate as it might just as well happen that the Shell either Starts Tumbling or gets Destroyed due to the Side of the Shell taking the Brunt of the Impact without the Tip Biting and thus the Fuse not going off. Meaning that its very likely that the Shell of the Yamato would either Shatter or Ricochet off. Or would Explode outside the Armor without causing any Notable Damage. However. Its not Impossible that the Armor being Bend results in the Tip Biting and having its Trajectory Changed to the Inside of the Ship instead. Likewise however if a Myoko with its 203mm Guns Fired from 2km Away at a Battleships 32mm Bow Armor from a 75 Degrees Angle. That Bow would in Reality still likely not reach the 300mm that it would need to Shatter an AP Shell from 20cm Guns. I would like to have a System that works with Gradient Lines rather than Preset Thresholds. This whole Bullcrab that 30mm Armor for some Reason is Automaticly Penetrated by a Shell that is Automaticly Bounced by 32mm Armor is Complete Horse**** to me.

Hmm. Die Missouri Interessiert mich an sich weniger. Wenn Sie die Musashi zurueckbringen dann Werfe Ich gerne mit Geld ^^

Yoshinos Armor is quite Horrendous in General. Not so much due to the 30mm Plating. That would be Quite fine. Even the 25mm Plating is somewhat Acceptable. Its mostly because your Citadel is so Incredible Exposed. Your Citadel is effectively an Inviting Target from any Angle if the Enemy Ship has Larger Guns. And your not even Tanky against 38cm Guns. But the thing is. The Ship as it is right now. Is mostly Aimed to Sit at long Range. That seems to be Wargamings Intention for it. Due to that it gets Super Long Range Torps and very Good Guns. And when Staying at Medium to Long Range. Its actually not that Weak. Because it can really dish out Damage Quite Well. Its just a Glass Cannon. High Damage Output but also Weak Damage Protection. So I dont think it needs an Armor Buff. Aside maybe the Bow and Stern being made 27mm to be in Line with General Supercruisers. But thats about it what I would consider useful. I think the General Armor System would Stand to have an Rework to be Honest. Warships Armor System is exceedingly Simplified which on some cases Massively Increases the Armor and on other Cases massively Decreases the Armor compared to Reality. The thing is. Because its so Simplified it ends up needing alot of Special Rules which then Complicate it again and thus make it Hard to use and very Unintuitive for Players. As well makng it Generally very Weird from a Realistic Viewpoint. I think they should do 3 things. 1. Remove Overmatch entirely. Most Players dont Understand it anyways. And its really just a Bad Mechanic overall which gives Unreasonable Power to Larger Caliber even when that Larger Caliber in Reality had less Penetration Power than Smaller Caliber Guns. 2. Remove Autobounce. This is another Mechanic most Players dont really Understand. And which is mostly just an Arbitrary Value that makes little Sense aside from giving Power to Ships that have certain Turret Angles etc. Only Autobounce removal. The Bounce Chance starting at different Angles is fine. 3. Use a Simplified but moe Realistic Leaning Penetration Mechanic. Right now we basicly go with the Line of Sight Armor Value. This means that Smaller Angles like 30 Degrees are almost entirely Ignored and even Larger Angles like 60 Degrees are more relying on the Bounce Chance than actually having a Big Increase in Armor. Because in Reality. A Cruisers Side Armor being Hit at 55 Degrees. Would actually be really hard to Penetrate. Because even if the Shell did not Bounce away due to Failing to Bite into the Armor. The Shell was Forced Away by the Angle thus not just getting an 1.9 Times Increase of Armor we got here but making the Armor work more around 4 Times of its actual Thickness as the Shell would Curve inside the Armor towards the Thinner Side which is Outside. Basicly Armor Angle Effect should be Doubled compared to now. So 30 Degrees should be 1.3 times instead of 1.15 Times. 40 Degrees should be 1.6 Times instead of 1.3 Times 50 Degrees should be 2.1 Times instead of 1.55 Times and 60 Degrees should be 4 Times instead of 2 Times. This would actually mean that when Firing at an Bow in Ship you Face 6-9 Times the Actual Armor Value. But you neither get Automatic Bounces nor Automatic Penetration. Therefore your Penetration will be much more Importand than your Shell Caliber. Most Battleships with good Penetration will actually get Penetrations on Enemy Bow in Battleships Bow. Because even with an 8 Times Increase the 32mm still wont Exceed the 400mm Penetration Power of the BBs Guns. However even Cruisers will Bounce some Shells from BBs on the Bow due to Random Bounce Chance and lack of Overmatch. Bowtanking would likely become much less Effective in General. While Diagonal Angling would become alot more Effective for all Classes. Another thing becoming much more effective for alles Classes would be to Maintain the Right Range. Being close enough for the Deck to Bounce Shells but far enough that the Belt Armor Bounces Shells. Thus making both Yoloing and Sniping less Effective. And Rewarding Players at Medium Ranges.

Nein. Hab aber nix mit Schlechten Spielern oder irgendwas zu tun. Was das Angeht ist es mir recht egal ob WG T9er und sogar T10er Premiums Direkt verkauft. Aber nicht als ARP Schiffe Denn es gibt nicht zu Jedem Schiff eine ARP Alternative. Anime Schiffe sollte es nur in Correlation zum jeweiligen Anime geben.

Nope. Got no Idea who that is actually. Its the Same as with the Guy in the German Forum which on every Rocket Change Topic Announced that from now on he will just be useless and Farm BBs instead of Playing for a Win. I cant Help it. When People throw a Tantrum like Little Kids and make Statements like "Oh Yeah if you dont Change the Game to how I want it to be I will from now on Play Badly/Stop Playing/Tell Friends to not Play etc etc etc" I cant help but Informing them that the Door is right behind them and that it would be Nice if they could Close it behind them upon leaving ^^ These People never Actually leave anyways. They just think in their little Self Importand World that this Threat would Convince the Devs to Change things how they want.

Psst. Dont tell him that its just an L2P Issue. The World will be a better Place if hes Gone.

Bye. I wont miss ya :)

Dont bother. He is Whining that DDs now actually have a Chance to Dodge Rockets. And doing the usual CV Player Threat that if they dont get Pampered to be Overpowered and can Kill any other Ship easily even when they themselves have no Skill or dont want to make any Effort at Learning. He will Leave the Game and not Play. How Dare WG not turning all other Ships into Food for CVs. Didnt they know that CVs in WW2 were Basicly the Knights in Shining Armor Slaughtering all other Ships like Filthy Peasant Militias left and right ? Of course a CV Player cant Possibly Play in such an Unhistorical Setting where other Ships are Actually allowed to Fight back against them.....

Feel Free to Ignore the Haters. Its a Good thing to Try and get Better and to Ask for Advice when you dont Understand why something isnt Working. In General you have to Consider that your not the only Human Player. Other Players are also Human. So they will know a Trick or Two as well. Many also have actual Experience in the Game due to Playing for quite some Time. Beyond that there is also Skills and Consumables that give you an Early Warning from Torps. Therefore there is several Possible Reasons due to which Players can Dodge Torps. 1. A Trick that Experienced Players know. Is that when you have the Skill Priority Target. You get a Warning when someone is Targeting you with their Main Battery Guns. This Warning however does not Count for Torpedo Launchers. So if you are being Targeted by One Person but Nobody is Shooting at You. And then Suddenly the Target Lock Dissappears and then a few Seconds Later comes back again. There is a Good Possibility that the Reason you got a Target Warning was that a Destroyer which was Aiming at you before. Has then Switched to his Torpedo Launchers to Drop Torps on You. And has then Returned to his Main Guns again. Thus creating the Short Gap in the Warning. As such when this Happens. Many Battleship Players will Alter their Course to make sure they are not in the Path of any Torps Launched at them. 2. Something many Players also dont Notice too much because many Players just consider the Skill Useless. Is the Skill Vigilance. Which Increases the Range at which you will See Torpedoes. This Skill gives you a bit more Early Warning against Torpedoes. And Especially Japanese Torpedoes have a Fairly low Concealment. Meaning they get Detected Fairly Far out. Which with this Skill Creates a Decent Chance to See them in time to Dodge them. 3. Hydroacoustic Search. A Consumable especially Found on Cruisers as well as German Battleships. Gives a very Large Warning Area against Torpedoes. Especially for Cruisers Allowing them Plenty of Time to Evade Torpedoes when the Consumable is Active. It only Runs for a Limited Time and has a Fairly long Cooldown. But while its Active. It makes Torpedo Attacks very Inefficient. As it effectively Doubles or even Triples the Range at which the Ship sees Incoming Torpedoes. 4. Then there is the Option that other Ships are in between You and the Enemy. Enemy Destroyers and Cruisers will often be inbetween You and the Enemy Battleships. And just like you. They have Good Concealment and thus wont be Spotted unless you get very Close before Dropping the Torps. As such it can often be that an Allied Destroyer Opened up your Torpedoes thus Informing his Battleship that there is Torpedoes Incoming on his Current Path. 5. Experience, Intuition and Situational Awareness. As Players Play the Game for Years. And Participate in Hundreds or even Thousands of Battles. They will over time get a Certain Feeling for the Games Timing. They Learn to Periodically Change Course so that any Torpedoes Launched at them from Further Away wont be Suddenly Appearing on their Broadside. They Learn where DDs Spawns are and Learn about certain Locations on the Map where DDs will often Drop Torpedoes towards. For example Spaces between Islands, Capture Points, Smokescreens or certain Islands on their Side of the Map which are Commonly used by Cruisers or BBs to hide behind in a Bow in Position etc etc. And they Learn to Pay attention to the Battlefield. If an Enemy DD was Spotted within Torpedo Range. If they are Spotted but none of the Enemy Ships that is Firing on them is Within their Concealment Range or if they Watched a Torpedo Salvo from a certain Direction a bit Earlier. They will be Wary of a Potential Destroyer being Close to them. And will therefore Randomly Change Course or Turn into or Away from the Location where they Suspect the Enemy Destroyer to make themselves a more Difficult Target. Ok. Now as to how you can Deal with that. Pls Note. I am a BB and CV Player. Not a DD Player. As such while I am very Aware on how to not get Hit by Incoming Torpedoes. I am not exactly an Expert as to how to Hit others with Torpedoes. As such my Advice is likely not the Best you.ll find. But I.ll try anyways. Experienced DD Players will often not Directly Aim for the Torpedo Prediction the Game gives you. Instead Expecting the Enemy Ship to make certain Moves and Aim for those Positions instead. Most commonly when Firing Torpedoes at a Longer Range. Many DD Players will Aim Shorter than the Torpedo Prediction as they will Expect the Enemy Ship to at least maneuver somewhat in the Time while the Torpedoes Travel there. Thus likely not getting as far as the Torpedo Aim Prediction is Expecting them too. As that would Require them to maintain Speed and Direction for the entire Time till the Torps Arrive. Which happens only Rarely. They will Fire Torps at Locations which they know Enemy Ships like to Hide at. Like Island Corners or Gaps between Islands etc. They will also Wait for an Enemy Ship to first Turn and Choose a New Direction so that the Torpedoes have the Largest Possible Time Window before the Enemy Changes Course again. They Pay Attention to the Battle. Thus Dropping Torpedoes into the Way of an Enemy Push when they Flank is Retreating and thus they know that the Enemy will want to Follow. They also will Counteract the things Stated above. For example. They will not Aim with their Main Guns at an Enemy Ship which they might want to Torpedo Later. So they dont give them the On Off Effect of Priority Tartget when actually Dropping Torps. They will also not Immediately Torp a Target they Spotted. Instead waiting for other Ships to also Close in. So its not entirely Obvious that they are the ones Spotting them. And they will try to Guess where the Enemy DDs are. If Torpedoes came out of the Direction of an Enemy Battleship they want to Torpedo. Then they will know that very likely between them and the Enemy Ship there is an Enemy DD which might Spot their Torpedoes before they Reach the Enemy Battleship. Thus maybe Choosing a Different Target. Likewise they know which Ships have Hydro and thus will be wary of Torping these Ships from Longer Ranges as they Know that if they Torp them from 10km away the Gaps between the Torpedoes will be easy to Evade for them due to the Hydro Warning them early. Furthermore they will Use the 2 Torpedo Launchers to Drop the Torpedoes with a Small Delay/Nudge to them. So that the 2nd Torpedo Set Runs inside the Gaps of the 1st Torpedo Set. Thus making Gaps Smaller and thus the Torps Harder to Dodge.

gave it a 7 Which would basicly be an C+ or B- Grade. I think its a Pretty Good Game and I like Playing it. But there Clearly is Room for Improvement and there Certainly are things that I dont like.

Erm Mate. Not to Offend you. But many of us CV Players are actually here and we got no Problem Leading a DD and Hitting it. The DD doesnt have Plenty of Time. He has 4 Seconds. 4 Seconds is the Same Time he has to Evade Shells Fired from a Radarcruiser that is 8km away from him. Thats Bullcrab by the Way. CVs were actually Extremely Weak in Battle in Reality. So Weak in Fact. That if an Enemy Fleet knew of their Rough Location. They would Immediately Retreat in the other Direction at Full Speed. So them even Fighting in a Battle like in WoWs is actually Bullcrab Galore. As in Reality they would at best Order a Scramble and then Ditch all Fuel and Ammo on Deck into the Water to Turn around and Flee the Battlefield as fast as they can. Which is not Surprising. Because while in WoWs you can have Giant BB HE Shells Impacting your Deck and still Start Planes and cant get Detonated at all. In Reality a Single HE Shell Hitting the Flight Deck could mean you wont be Starting Aircraft for Days as the Runway is Damaged. And Carriers were Loaded to the Brim with Bombs and Fuel for Aircraft. So any Shell Penetrating the Storage Decks could Lead to a Catastrophic Inferno Engulfing the Ship and making it Impossible to Recover it. Furthermore. It was actually very Rare for Carriers to Intervene into an Ongoing Battle between Surface Ships. Because WW2 Aircraft up into the Later Cold War Area. Had very Limited Options of Properly Identifying the Ships they Attacked. As such in a Battle between 2 Fleets it was next to Impossible to Quickly Identify which Ship was Friendly and which Ship was Hostile. Thus in cases where Aircraft had been Send against Ships in Vicinity of Friendly Ships it actually often happened that Aircraft would Target the Allied Ships due to Failure in Identifying the Target. Which is why Aircraft Carriers Generally tried to Attack Enemy Ships and Fleets which were Far out from Friendly Fleets. The Reason why CVs in Reality became the Dominant Ship Class on Naval Warfare. Was not their Prowess in a Battle. But their Strategic Value as a Mobile Airfield. CVs Fought not in Battles. But instead Launched Recurring Attack Waves over a Timeframe of Days against Fleets that were up to several Hundred Kilometers away. Often Coordinating with other Carrier Fleets which then could Send Aircraft as well thanks to that Great Range and thus could Converge Attacks on Enemy Fleets that were Hundreds of Kilometers away from either Fleet while they were Hundreds of Kilometers Apart themselves. A Good Example of how CVs Fight. Is the Battle against the Yamato. Where 8 US Aircraft Carriers from 2 Different Carrier Fleets Launched 4 Attack Waves of Several Hundred Aircraft each against the Yamato and its Escorts over a Timeframe of about 2 Hours to Sink it. As Such. Yes DDs would in Reality not really get a Chance to Attack an Aircraft Carrier. Because in Reality if a CV got within 20km of any Hostile Ship that was effectively a Brown Alert Moment at which point the Escort of the CV would Engage the Enemy to Defeat it or Buy Time while the CV would Scramble whatever is on Deck and then Hightail it out of there as fast as he Could. Likewise however. CVs would never Participate in Battles. Meaning if you want to go with the Realism Argument. Then the only Logical Solution is to Remove CVs from the Game because they dont belong here.

I see. Indeed that might be a Problem. For othher Ressources like Coal or Steel there is almost always some 20-40 Packages in between from which you then get 1-2 Points. But for RP I actually cant Recall any opportunities to get less than 200-400 Points at once.

No. What he means is the last Digits of his RP. Basicly lets assume he Buys Stuff for a Total of 32700 Points. He would have 56 Left. At this Point he can Buy some of the Cheapest Flags and then he ends up on 6 Points Left. And these 6 Points cant Buy anything. This happens alot because the Clan Base basicly gives you Micro Amounts of Extra Ressources for each bit of Ressources you get. So he would basicly like to have an Option to do something with these Tiny Extra Amounts. For example. Buying 1 Flag instead of 10 Flags. There is Packages of 10 Flags which cost 10-20-40 Research Points. Meaning they could also Offer Single Flags for 1-2-4 Research Points. Now. My Personal Opinion is. That he can just keep the 6 Points. Because he will keep getting some Extra anyways. So he can Simply wait till he gets enough Extra that hes got Full 10 Points again. But thats just me. I would not Mind the Option to Buy Single Flags Certainly.

Ich bezweifle das du eine so Niedrige Toleranz überhaupt Erreichen würdest. Selbst wenn wir von absoluten Wertern ausgehen. Also 49 statt 50% etc. Ich tippe eher mal das die Toleranz im Rahmen von 3-5% liegen würde. Was weit zuviel ist um mit den Ergebnissen irgendwas anzufangen. Schön das du Exakt die Selbe Reaktion hast die Ich auch hatte. Ich sehe gerade. Du kriegst auch direkt den selben Wiederspruch.....

Der Deutsche T8 hat aktuell nur 6 Nur wie gesagt. Das thema hier is der T10 und meine Argumentation läuft auf den T10 Und ein anderes BB mit so ner Fetten Sekundär geschweigedenn 8 Torps pro seite gibt es in T10 nicht.

Erm. Und das ist Wichtig in Wiefern ? Das is ganz toll das WG das rausziehen kann. Denn das sind Reale Daten die einfach nur aufgenommen werden. Das hat auch keiner angezweifelt. Aktuell hat da Nichtmal jemand von gesprochen. Kommen wir dann jetz mal dazu wie du denn jetz nur anhand von Unikum Player Statistiken ausrechnest. Welche Ergebnisse ein Durchschnittlicher Spieler mit dem Neuen Schiff erreichen würde. :) Ich meine lach nicht. Wir können gerne auch mal über den Heiligen Spreadsheet Diskutieren und wieviele tolle Daten der sammelt. Weil da Vergessen die Leute sehr gerne das halt auch ein Komplexes Programm das viele Daten sammelt. Eben nicht Neutral oder Unbefangen ist. Und halt auch keine Magischen Kräfte hat. Dieses Programm wurde von jemandem geschrieben. Es hat Gewichtungen und Wertigkeiten vorgegeben bekommen sowie Umstände unter denen es eine gewisse Wertigkeit einer gewissen Aktion zuschreibt und so weiter und so fort ;) Und zwar von einem Menschen der halt die Meinung hat das dieser Wert so und der andere Wert soviel bedeuted ;) Aber das hat halt echt nix damit zu tun das du Nunmal nicht nur anahnd einer Spielergruppe berechnen kannst wie gut verschiedene Spielergruppen mit einem Schiff abschneiden werden. Klaro Digger ? :)

Thema is der T10 hier. Den 8er gucke Ich garnet an der is mir zu Hässlich lol

Ohne dir jetz zu nahe zu Treten. Aber Ich habe auch Wooky daraufhin gesagt das Ich das nicht Bestreite und das sich mein Wiederspruch einzig auf die Behauptung bezieht das man Ausschließlich anhand der Unikum Spieler errechnen könnte welche Stats Durchschnittsspieler später haben werden. Precise gesagt. Habe Ich auf diesen Post hier Geantwortet. Wenn ihr Nicht Lesen könnt Leuts is das nicht mein Problem. Wie war das Vorhin ? Wenn du das nicht Verstehst tut mir das Leid ;) Aber Ich Erkläre es dir gerne nochmal. Bin ja nicht so ^^ Die Grüne Linie ist aktuell eben jene Linie die du bekommst wenn du die Extremen ecken rauslässt. Weil diese Extremen rauf und runter knicke in der Linie halt nen massiven unterschied machen. Sprich es mehr Sinn macht anhand der durchgehenden trendlinie zu arbeiten die man hat. Jedoch sieht man sofort. Die Grüne Linie is verdammt weit weg. Die Blaue Linie ist ein Mittlerwert Inklusive der Extremen Schwankungen. Was halt kein besonders genaues Ergebnis gibt. Die Violette Linie ist die einzige Extrem Linie. Denn sie geht von den Niedrigen Enden der Schwankungen aus. Deine Rote Linie landet aktuell weit eher in den Extremen ecken als die grüne und Blaue linie. Denn bei den Stabilen werten is deine Rote Linie garnicht wirklich auf den Realen Werten. Stattdessen landet sie bei den Stark Schwankenen werten in der oberen Kante. Das ist nicht verwunderlich. Denn du hast die Linie ja nicht Berechnet und nur anhand von den Oberen Werten gezogen. Du hast die Linie ja mit vollen Realen Daten durch den kompletten Datensatz gezogen :) Oder meinste weil die Rote Linie zufällig dann hin und wieder von diesen Schwankungen gekreuzt wird wäre das nen vernünftiger mittelwert ? :) Leute. Ernsthaft. Gebt doch einfach zu das man nicht nur anhand von Unikum Spieler Statistiken Ausrechnen kann welche Ergebnisse der Durchschnittspieler bekommt. Isses euch das echt Wert euch mit dieser Lachhaften behauptung zu Identifizieren nur damit ihr nicht zugeben müsst mal nicht recht zu haben ?

1. Sigma und Dispersion die selbst gegen Slawa anstinkt ist Ziemlich Radikal. Besonders wenn es auf einem Kreuzer is der 38cm Kanonen hat und somit andere Kreuzer Overmatchen kann. 2. Ich hab keine Glaskugel. Ob das dann wirklich komplett Gebalanced ist weiß Ich nicht. Eine so genaue aussage ist nicht Realistisch. Aber mit 32mm Denke Ich sie könnten (sofern die gesamtpanzerung einigermaßen ist) durchaus was machen. Du hast immernoch 2x4 Torps pro Seite und solst Angeblich ne Sehr gute Sekundär kriegen. Sprich im Nahkampf hast du einen Enormen Schadensoutput. Und wenn dir nicht die BBs in die Nase Schießen können. Sind 70k HP zwar immernoch wenig aber reichen aus um ranzukommen. Das Problem mit den 27mm is einfach das du keine wirkliche Möglichkeit hast an irgendwen ranzukommen. Weil 90% der Feind BBs dich Overmatchen und dir Vollpens in die Nase hauen. Wenn du 32mm hast Sieht das anders aus. Siehe oben. 32mm Sind durchaus schonmal etwas Wert. Denn wenn dir eben nicht alle in die Nase Schießen können. Kannst du auf jedenfall schonmal wieder Ran und kannst Abwinkeln nutzen um Damage zu Tanken. Du bist kein Tanky Schlachtschiff. Aber du hast massive Firepower im Nahkampf. Und mit 32mm isses MASSIV schwerer dich davon abzuhalten näher ran zu kommen. Ja. Und Ich schrieb das wenn du 32mm Nase gibst du nichtmehr wirklich laserguns brauchst. Weil auf Nahkampf haben die schon sehr Starke Firepower durch Sekundär und Torps. 32mm alleine Reichen erstmal damit Ich da möglichkeiten sehe diese Schiffe einzusetzen.

Checking the Statements by the Guy. As well as the whole Stream Passage where this got Clipped from. For those who care. This is the Link to the Full thing with Timestamp. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1086843959?t=1h34m0s To get the Full Statement you need to go back 1 Minute. So he Basicly Says that this is not the 100% Reason. Indicating however that this is one of the Reasons. So Yeah. Basicly he is Saying "Oh I will tell you the Reason but thats not the Entire Reason and it might not be the actual Reason why we did it. Its just one of the Reasons why we might have done it" Which Sorry. But thats just Bullcrab of Denying Responsibility for that Statement. Effectively the Statement means. This is a Potential Reason why this was Removed. And he doesnt want to tell us the Real Reason because of Reasons. Its a very Convenient Bullcrab Statement which basicly Says. Oh if you like this Reason then Great thats why we did it. If you dont like it. Then thats not the Reason and we certainly have a better reason. We are just not telling you about it. The only other thing he says in the Context. Is the Bigger Picture Rubbish. "" The Devs have a Bigger Picture of things. Meaning it might be about longterm game changes or economy reasons inside the game etc. "" This might be. But it tells us absolutely nothing about the Reason nor does it Justify the Change. The Devs having a Bigger Picture is. Nice. But if they dont share it then it can just as well not Exist. Because none of us can See this Bigger Picture. So if the Devs dont Share it. Then that Reason is meaningless and not Justifying the Change. Its basicly a Statement. Oh Yeah we know better then you. We wont tell you what we know and we wont explain why we changed this. So just believe us that our Changes are Certainly Correct and we certainly have Good Reasons for them but we wont tell em to you. Erm Yeah. Bullcrab. After that then Comes the Clip. And the Clip is Honestly said a Pretty wholesome Statement. And well. If Players throwing away their Ship to farm Deto Flag. (Aside from this behavior being Encouraged by WG as they dont Punish bad Play in General...) its a Problem that can be Fixed very easily by just already removing the Stupid Deto Mechanic. Because it really Adds absolutely nothing to the Game anyways aside from an Frustrating Event. Because do you know whats even more Frustrating than a Potato throwing away his Ship at the Start of the Match? An actually useful Player being FRIGGIN DETONATED by a Lucky Stray Shot or CV Attack at the Start of the Match....

We already got Tons of BCs in the Game all of which have 32mm Plating. But worse is. They really are not Good against anything. With only 70k HP on T10 and 27mm Plating. They are Fodder for HE Spamming Cruisers as well as for DDs. Because they are Simply not Maneuverable enough to really make much use of the Hydro to Dodge Torps and they also cant really go Close enough to use the Hydro offensively to actually Hunt DDs. Not to mention their Guns are just not useful against anything but Cruisers. Better Torps and better Speed and better Sigma would Help. But then the BB Designation would make even less Sense. In that case it would be more Logical to just Reclassify them as Cruisers instead. Because they are effectively Supercruisers like Siegfried at this Point. Which aint Surprising as Siegfried is a O-Project Battlecruiser.

Schauen wir uns mal die Fakten an. Du hast die Behauptung gemacht. Das WG anhand von den Statistiken der Unikum Spieler dann runterrechnen kann wieviel Schaden und Winrate der Durchschnittliche Spieler dann mit diesem neuen Schiff machen würde. Ich habe das angezweifelt. Und gesagt das es nicht möglich ist das runterzurechnen. Denn die Differenz zwischen Unikum und Durchschnittspielern kann je nach Schiff sehr Stark Varrieren. Du hast mir jetz 3 Graphen gezeigt. Von Schiffen die bereits Existieren und für die dementsprechend reale Daten existieren bei denen Recht deutlich hervorgeht das Verschiedene Schiffe sehr Unterschiedliche Werte in der Winrate zwischen Durchschnittlichen und Unikum Spielern haben. Du hast also Praktisch gesehen meine Aussage Bewiesen das die Differenz zwischen Unikum und Average Player abhängig vom Schiff mal größer und mal kleiner ausfallen kann. Das Ergebnis ist also. Du kannst nicht nur Unikum Spieler zum Testen Schicken und dann Ausrechnen welche Stats nen Durchschnittspieler haben würde. Das hast du mit deinen Graphen selber unter Beweis gestellt. Weil du halt zeigst das die Schiffswinrate mitunter sehr von der Account Winrate abweichen kann. Ich weiß nicht was es da zu verstehen gibt. Betrachtest du vieleicht ne Abweichung von bis zu 5% Winrate als Unwichtig und sagst deshalb achja das geht schon. Was sind schon + - 5% und denkst deshalb das diese Ergebnisse schon brauchbar wären ? Weil anders sehe Ich gerade nicht was du mir sagen willst. Wir können das auch mal Bildlich hinterlegen. Denn schau. Dein Roter Strich. Ist ja das was du machst wenn du von allen Spielern Daten hast. Jetz Schneiden wir einfach mal den Unteren Bereich Realer Daten weg. Und versuchen deine Linie NUR ANHAND der Unikum Stats also 60% und drüber zu ziehen. Dann kriegen wir nen Sehr Buntes Bild. Und abhängig davon welchen Ausgangspunkt du von den Mitunter Stark varieierenden Ergebnissen nimmst. Kriegst du echt Stark Unterschiedliche Linien. Als Erklärung. Die Grüne Linie ist das was du bekommst wenn du die Extremen Ergebnisse die am aufgrund ihrer position am Äusseren Ende Stark Varrieieren können rausfilterst und nur die Zuverlässigeren Ergebisse bis etwas unter 70% nimmst. Die Blaue Linie ist das was du bekommt wenn keinen Filter anlegst sondern bis hinten durchzeihen würdest. Die Violette Linie legt die Niedrigeren Ergebnisse zu grunde. Diese 3 Linien wurden Gezogen ohne dabei die Daten unterhalt von 60% mit einzubeziehen. Sprich das wäre der Versuch zu Errechnen wo die Werte für die unteren Spielern landen müssten ohne von ihnen Reale Daten zu haben. Du hast daher nen Bereich zwischen der Violetten und der Grünen Linie wo die Stats liegen könnten. Du merkst Sofort. Anders als deine Rote Linie. Die du so nur ziehen konntest weil du ja bereits die Niedriegeren Ergebnisse kanntest. Weichen diese mitunter sehr Stark von der Position der Eigendlich Statistiken ab. Schön das wir Einer Meinung sind. Nur warum sagst du das dann zu Mir ??? Ich habe das Niemals bezweifelt. Im gegenteil das is ja genau das was Ich sage. Und Ich habe auch deutlich gesagt das Ich mich nicht der Behauptung anschließe das Supertester nur Unikums wären. Warum also mich Quoten und auf etwas Ansprechen womit Ich garnix zu tun habe ? Du kannst mir noch so lange hinterherlaufen. Du bekommst kein Autogramm.

Schon. Aber Ich weiß nicht was du da wirklich sagen willst. Ich meine. Alles was du sagst habe Ich bereits meine Meinung zu Kundgetan. Ich kann es dir gerne nochmal einzeln wiederholen. Aber das is halt letzten endes nur ne Wiederholung. Siehe mein erster Post. "" Tirpitz hat Torps und 32mm +Icebreaker. Ihre Nase war auch als Giant Middlefinger bekannt. Das Funzt aber mit 27mm platten nicht. "" Siehe den Kommentar an Andre. Ich bezweifle einfach das sie das Model Überarbeiten und die Waffen etc wegnehmen. Das is Einfach nichts was WG sonderlich häufig tut. Zudem. Wenn du 32mm Nase gibst habe Ich ja garkeine beschwerde mehr. Wären es. Und Ich halte es wie bereits gesagt für Unwahrscheinlich. Das würde sich selbst Wiedersprechen. Wenn es derweil zu wenig Kreuzer gibt. Warum sollte WG dann ne Anti Kreuzer Linie dazu packen. Noch dazu wie du schon sagst würde das in die Hose gehen. Diese BBs sind einfach nicht Stabil genug um nur 10km hinter den eigenen DDs zu Fahren. Abgesehen davon. Da Panzerung und HP einem Superkreuzer entspricht. Die Superkreuzer aber Generell die deutlich besseren DPM werte haben. Wird jeder Superkreuzer diese Schiffe recht einfach wegputzen. Das stört WG generell weniger. Siehe die 305mm von der Odin mit ihren absurden Alpha werten die schon eher 356mm als 283mm entsprechen. Aber das würde auch nicht Helfen wenn du nicht die 32mm da drauf packst. Aber wenn du 32mm drauf packst. Brauchst du keine besseren Geschütze. Mit 32mm währen die Schiffe so wie sie jetz sind bereits vollkommen in Ordnung.

Tirpitz hat Torps und 32mm +Icebreaker. Ihre Nase war auch als Giant Middlefinger bekannt. Das Funzt aber mit 27mm platten nicht. Ich hab das bei Ägir Live mitbekommen. Aber das war weit nicht so Radikal. Ich hoffe einfach das WG ihnen 32mm oder wenigstens 30mm platten gibt. Alles qndere sehe Ich einfach nicht in dem level kommen wo es gut genug wäre

Was dir immernoch nichts darüber sagt wie denn nun ein Neues Schiff dessen Eigenschaften wir noch nicht kennen nun abschneiden würde. Du beweist lediglich das die korrelation bei verschiedenen schiffen unterschiedlich ausfallen kann. Digger. Kannst du bitte ab und zu mal probieren die Posts erstmal richtig zu lesen bevor du dich Einmischen musst.... Ich habe keinerlei Zweifel daran geäußert das es auch Tester gibt die andere Skilllevel haben. Ich habe auch Explizit deutlich gemacht das Ich die Meinung des OP nicht Unterstütze. Dein Post ist also Vollkommen Irrelevant zu der Diskussion in die du dich da Einmischst. Mein Post gilt Ausschließlich der Aussage das man anhand der Stats von Unikums ausrechnen könnte ob das Schiff für die Durchschnittspieler Balanced is.