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Bigger Problem here. Is that this does not really Fix the Problem. It just Masks the Statistics. Because by doing this they basicly make the Statistics look more Diverse due to the most Popular Ships being reduced later on so that the Final Picture of the Statistics then Says "Oh Yeah look here. We got alot of Variations of Ships used"

Frankly Said. I dont See how this could get any Worse. So Far WGs Response to this whole Situation has been to make a Non Apology Statement of no Consequence aside from Fueling the Fires. And then as if to Demonstrate Clearly to the Community just how little they care. Add another 2 "Communication Mistakes" that "Accidentally" tell the Community that all they are there for is to be whales that Provide Money and that if they dont like it the can go fk themselves. Frankly. At this Point I am wondering if any of these Days now. WGs CEO just gives a Statement in which he just Rages about how the Community should either Shut Up and give them Money or the GTFO because he doesnt give a **** about anything they Say and is Glad to Announce. That from Today on the TechTrees and all Purchasable Ships are Removed. Because they decided that based on Player Feedback in the Future all Ships will be available from Containers which can be Obtained the different Ressources.

Sigh. Not only is this Factually Wrong. Because Jingles as well has for Months now again and again Pointed our Critics and Failures from WG and has made pretty Clear that he has Issues with how WG does things. But also is it entirely Irrelevant. Because it being Late or Early has no Bearing on the Facts of WGs Action. So Again Mate. What are you trying to Say ? Or are you just trying to Muddy the Waters with these Non Committing Cryptic Claims hoping to Somehow manage to Randomly Seed a Doubt somewhere ? If thats what you are Trying You are Pretty Bad at it really. For most Part you are just Convincing me that You dont actually have any Argument or Point to make here.

No Offense Intended to You Mate. I am well aware that You guys tend to be pretty Chill in General. So none of this is Aimed at you Personally. You are however our Point of Contact ^^ So You are one of the High Up Choices on the List to Ping when we want to Complain :P

Nope. Not getting your Point at all. Not even sure there is one. So maybe just State that Point rather than giving me cryptic non committing implications ?? As for your Questions. 1. Because People tend to not just Walk away at the First sign of Conflict. CCs were Selected from People that from the Start cared for this Game. So its entirely Normal that thex wont leave after a few messups. But. There is a Limit. And that Limit was reached. 2. Simple Answer. ALL OF THEM. And All of the previous ones. The CCs leaving was clearly not a Single Issue. It was the Sum of all the Grievances that keep piling. And now Back to the Topic. Mind Explaining your *Point* as to why that would matter in regards to that Video showing how WG has 0 respect for its Customers ? by the way.

I am not really sure why that would be relevant. As him not doing it before would not really change anything about the current occurences. But that aside. There was similar Videos before. From Santa Crates (Makarov) to the stuff with Pay To Rico etc. Not a few Voices actually Suspected that him being Kicked out of the CC Program. Was not due to him breaking a Rule again which he kept breaking for Years. But rather because WG got Fed up with him constantly calling them out. Him leaving by the way was another Similar Video of him calling WG out on this. I mean. Not to Offend you Mate. But if you somehow managed to miss all of the PR Desasters of the last 2 Years you really must have been living under a Rock. WG has been Stumbling from one PR Catastrophe to another recently. Needless to Say. If you want to Imply that he Faked it because he is just Butthurt at being Kicked by WG. It would be somewhat strange when a Ton of CCs Agree with him on the current Issues and WGs lack of Respect. Even alot of the CC which did not Leave last Weekend. Have voiced their Concerns and made it pretty clear in their Streams and Videos that while they still remain as CCs. They are definitively aware of the Problems and are not in Support of WG in these Issues. As such. Your Accusation would be Pretty Shaky at Best. And given WGs Track Record of the last Few Weeks. I dont think you really need to take a Guess on which Side the Community will Believe here.

I mean Flamu just made a Video showing the URL of their Promo Action which still reads the Campaign wb 107 Whales. Which likely is the File Name of the Planned Campaign Website which is Nicely Showing what exactly this Promo was Planned for and with what intention. If they would make a Full Facts Movie about Wargamings PR Section everyone would think its an Comedic Parody which on Purpose totally Overstates the Greed and Fails of WG.....

I absolutely Second this Question. I have absolutely NO IDEA. How WG is making Decisions on which Ships get ASW. For some Reason it seems. That many BBs despite actually having Floatplanes that could Carry Bombs. Dont get any ASW Charges. While some Ships which did not even have the Option for Floatblames somehow get Floatplanes Dropping ASW Charges. Likewise some Heavy and Light Cruisers get ASW Charges. While others just dont for whatever reason. I would really like to know. By which Criteria it is Decided which Ship gets ASW and Which Ship does not.

Flamu just made a nice Video noting another Messup on WGs Side. It seems that Wargaming was too lazy to Rename the Files on their Webserver. So the Url linking the Webpage for the Return Program. Was literally named "Campaign wb107 Whales" Showing pretty nicely who WG wants to get back into the Game and what Purpose exactly this Returning Players Promo has.

Guess Joking about such Topics is Acceptable when you do it yourself hmm ^^ Well nvm that. @MrConway @Sehales You mind Giving us a Response to this ? Has WG Finally given up Pretending to care and just decided to openly tell the Community to go **** themselves ? Or maybe some Intern which is Angry with WG decided to Sneak in yet another PR Dumpster Fire ?

Well. From what I gathered here so far. The Whole Story. Is that someone basicly Complained to him about how he Moderates his Teamspeak. Comparing him to a Dictator etc. Just like it often happens in this Forum that Moderators are Compared to Cold War Soviet KGB etc. And after being Annoyed. Yuro Leaned into it. And Posted these Rubbish Comments Playing the Part of a Dictator that then Genocides People etc. Now Pls Note. I have several Times in this Forum. Seen Moderators Leaning into the KGB thing as well. Making Jokes about Gulags etc. Frankly this Gulag Joke is all too common in this Forum. And Given that my Grandfater actually was a German Soldier that was a Prisoner of War of the Soviets and only Survived because he Escaped and after several days of drinking from Mud Puddles and sleeping in the Forests finally managed to cross into the Western Controlled Zones where he then Surrendered to an US Patrol. So I can actually tell you. That this Joking about Gulags is actually pretty Tasteless in itself. Do not Attribute to Malice what can be Explained with Incompetence. Yuro is on Regular Basis making Jokes about the N*** and well about pretty much everything really. So I fail to see any Deeper Agenda. Especially one of Manipulating People towards that Side.

With all Due Respect Mate. But the only one Losing Credibility right now is You. Because you are making Accusations and then dont Follow through even tough the other Party is Offering Clearly to get it Sorted.

Thing is. I dont think Yuro meant it in such an Evil Way. He just was making Fun on his Discord. I mean that Joke about Bavarians being Austrians is something I made several Times right into the Face of a Friend who is from Bavaria. Likewise at Work we got an Italian which we Regularily call Mafioso. And he Answerd in Kind including the N*** reference. He knows we are Joking in Fun and dont mean Harm. And we know he is. Heck. Some of these Guys have known each other for 30 Years. We got a guy from Turkey which has gone Bald. And People for a Joke will Rub his Head and make Wishes. (Yes. Disney Movies are Quite Racist is you didnt realize it *gg*) Which he will then Laugh about and say "You Stupid Pig you can Rubbing the wrong Plate if you want something to come out" in German. Now. Imagine the same Comments and Actions. But only the Comments of one Side and without the Context of knowing that these Guys have been Friends for 20-30 Years and are Kidding with each other. Exactky, And thats the Thing. I am not Saying Yuro is Innocent. He Clearly Deserved to be Kicked. Because if you are Part of an Official Group. Then its your Job to Know such Stuff and behave Accordingly. But People should also not go around Claiming that Yuro would be some N*** now. He made Jokes in very Poor Taste when he should have known Better. Thats all there is to it.

I mentioned both Cambodia and Laos in that Post. So you likely just Misread it. (And if you did I actually did not notice it. lol) But Sure. @CptMinia I dont know if I edited anything on that Post. But I am fine with you Posting the History of Changes for it. However @Taschkent_ You quoted that Post here: And your Quote of my Post is Identhical with my Post. Even if I had Edited my Post. I cant have Edited your Quote. So the Likely Scenario is actually that you just Jumbled it up.

Feel Free to. Also would you mind telling me in which Post you say I changed something ?

Erm. ???? Sorry. But I changed nothing of the Sort. Maybe you misread it ? I mentioned both Cambodia and Laos. Have I jumbled it up somewhere ? Sorry. But I havnt Changed anything. Have you maybe misread something ? So far I only Edited a Single of my Posts. And that was right after posting it because it was missing an Address. Feel free to ask a Moderator to Check the Original Versions of my Post if you want. An Agitated one which seems to be jumping to conclusions very quickly right now :) I am. In Fact I am making a Point of staying True to it right here lol. Otherwise I would have long left this cause I know how I am fighting Windmills right now trying to Explain this to an Angry Mob that just wants to see Blood lol. I think he really should take a Break. I made no such Changes. And i am all for a Mod Checking lol.

Oh dont worry. I often make Jokes about People from Bavaria. Funny enough it doesnt seem that this is making me Racist *gg* Even tough I am clearly Stating that Bavarians are actually Austrians and not Germans :P But thats the thing. You cant Expect from someone Half the World away to be aware of where exactly the line is to draw. Especially when that Line is somewhere in between the same Topic. I mean nobody here Bats an Eye about Jokes of how Mustache Man Blitzed his Neighbors even tough that was already a War Crime. But we are exceedingly Sensitive towards someone Joking about the Holocaust. Heck. This Forum is Filled to the Brim with Jokes and exceedingly Offensive Remarks against Russians over a Petty Topic as Wargaming behaving Hardcore Capitalist. Yet nobody cares. Well. Let me give you a Taste of what happened in Yuros Case. Because what you See from Yuro is only this part :) Now Imagine I would just Post this Part as a Cutout to tell others how you made Offensive Remakrs about Asian People ? :) Have Fun Mate. Mate. Maybe Check the whole Post and dont just Quote it and then Answer the Quote where you cant see other Peoples Quotes and then dont see that something wasnt actually Directed at you. The Chinese Part is towards Mac Arthur and was Posted below a Quote of his Statement.

And Yet. You just Offended them. Because not all Asians are Chinese. And South East Asia is certainly not Chinese. :) And well Mate. I Posted you some News Article Earlier about how they often treat it there. And Yet. You just went right ahead with China above even tough I talked about South East Asia. Thats not rare by the way. Even I will first think of China and Japan the moment anyone mentions Asia. When someone says Thailand or Vietnam I will realize oh yeah that too. When someone Says Indonesia I actually had to look first. Because I wasnt sure if this wasnt some Island near America. And for Cambodia I actually tought Africa first lol. Nice Play. Proves Perfectly that you have not Understood a Word I said and also have absolutely no Intention to make an effort of understanding it. Instead you would Prefer to just make Fun of it by Posting an Offensive and Ignorant Play. Albeit I love this. You know why ? Because one of the most Hostile Remarks that Yuro made. Came out exactly like your little Offensive Play there. Some guy Argued with Yuro about how he is a Dictator on his Discord. And when he Refused to let it go. Yuro made Fun of him by on Purpose making completely over the Top remarks of a Dictatorship. So Congratulations. You just now did the Same as Yuro. Gladly at least your Topic is alot less Sensitive and You are not a Person of Public Interest. So nobody will care ;)

1. Is it ? Because Frankly. I just wanted to Answer that you could tell that to the people in China. But know what. Saying that would be exactly the same as what Yuro did. Yet it happens all the Time. Do you know how common it is to Joke about Chinese Authoriatism over here. Maybe Ask them how they think about that ;) 2. I am not. I am trying to make it Clear to You. That the Holocaust and African People being Enslaved. Is a Western thing. And thus far not such a Sensitive Topic in other Regions of the World. 3. Mate.... There have been TV Shows in 2020 that Asked People on the Streets of USA and South America about the Chancellor of Germany. And they have Answered Mustache Man. Let that Sink for a Moment and then pls tell me again that I am making People mote Stupid than they are..... I am Aware. But as you Correctly State. Its a Convoluted, Complicated Mess. There is no way anyone would read it if I tried to Properly explain it. Because I would be sitting here Writing for the next 3 Days. And Yes. its not. But my Point is not the History itself. Its that People need to Realize that a Historical and Culture extremely Importand and Sensitive Event here in the West. Just wont hold the same Value at the Opposite End of the World. And Yes. I am pretty sure you do. I apologize for that. But see thats the Issue. I am actually making a Point of Learning about History. Yet I Immediately Generalized South East Asia despite them having very different and partially very Brutal Histories with very Severe Events that I just nicely Glossed over because they are not Related to our European World Picture. Pretty sure its Obvious to you. That I mean no Harm here and just try to approach it from a more Reasonable angle than "Oh he made a Joke about the Holocaust. He must be a N***" But that wont Change the Fact that I am European and thus mostly Ignorant to Far Eastern History and Culture.

1. Nope. Thats just your Limited Understanding at Work. What I am trying to Explain to You. Is that the things we Consider Racist. And the things that for us are due to Recent History extremely Sensitive Topics. Are not what they Consider Racist or Sensitive Topics. Yet. You are basicly Interpreting that as me Saying that Racism or Xenophobia would not Exist there. Because this Idea that maybe they got a Different Culture and maybe dont consider that Stuff to be as Serious. Is not even Occuring to you. 2. Sure. And I did Point out Explicity. That especially Yuro which should have made an Effort to make himself aware of that. Failed to do so and therefore Deserved to be Booted. But Ignorance is Widespread. It has always been. You below for example Point out Pol Pot. Which I have no Idea what it even means. I am actually hoping that we are not actually causing offense by bringing this Up in such a trivial context. But I can guess its related to the Genocide which happened there. And guess what. Most Europeans HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA ABOUT THAT. 3. Nah. Sorry but they dont. Not to Destroy your Picture of the World. But Truth is. I have repeatedly seen Younger Folks make Fun of Black People and Slavery as well as the Turkish/Kurdish stuff etc. He used existing Memes and Jokes of that Topic. Which is Frankly not a Sign he knows about it but actually a Sign of the Opposite. Of him just having used the Jokes and Memes he Found Online without really realizing how Serious that Topic is in the West. Which is not Surprising. I mean he has been making Videos about the White Neandertals etc and its been Praised with no Complaints. So this Line being Blurry to him is not Surprising. See Mate. The Fact is I have no Idea what Pol Pot even means. And Nope. I dont Expect to be doing that. Which is why I several times Explicitly Statet that Yuro should have Informed himself properly. And thus has himself to Blame. But there is a difference between him being Blamed and Punished. And People here Claiming he would be a Xenophobe or N*** Mate.

Of course there is. There is no way I could Explain this entirely here lol. I got to Work this Week. I wont spend 3 Days Writing a Book ;) Its True even Nowdays. If I remember right you could get a Plushie of Mustache Man as recently as last Year.... Thats the Thing Mate. They dont Care about us. We are not the Center of the World to them. Do you on Regular Basis Inform yourself of what happens in Indonesia ? People Laugh when in a TV Show they Ask Americans where a certain European Country is and look it Baffelement at them Pointing the Finger into Africa or something. And even most Europeans cant even tell you where Indonesia is. I mean just when Skimming over this. I already saw someone Nagging about China and Japan when I said South East Asia. Likely having no Idea what I am talking about and that there is Actually Asian Countries other than China and Japan lol. Nope. You were mostly Enslaved. You were Pagans and pretty Unprotected during a long part of History. Making you a fairly good Source for Slaves to be Sold. Which is exactly this thing. You were not Christian and considered a bit of a different Race during that Time. 1. China and Japan are East Asia. And are much more Sensitive in this Topic because they were deeply Involved in WW2 and/or WW1. 2. Its not about being an Invention or something. Its about the Severety and Recent History. People in South East Asia just dont have such a Close Connection to this Topic. As I said. For them this whole thing with Holocaust etc is about as Close to them as the Aztecs performing Human Sacrifices is to us. This doesnt mean they cant be Reacist. But their Racism is different. Thats the thing. You need to get it into your Head that to them you are the Foreigner with a Strange and Different Culture. 3. Even in our Globalised World barely anyone knows extensive History outside his own Sphere of Influence. Which is not Surprising. Why would you for example care to Learn about the History of Cambodia. Assuming you even know what Cambodia is. If you asked most Europeans aboout Laos they would likely Point somewhere in the Middle East or around Cuba. And you can Bet not even 1 out of a 100 you Ask would be able to tell you anything about their History or Culture. You may have better Luck in France. But even there you wont find many. And thats the same for People in South East Asia. Of course they could Look up this Topic. But why would they Inform themselves of the History and Wars of some Countries that are on the other End of the World ? :) 1. Not Forgetting that at all. I even explicitly mentioned that he has only himself to Blame exactly because he should have known better given he is making Videos on an International Platform. 2. lol sorry but I doubt that. This word is used so flagrantly in Comedy and Movies by now that for a Foreigner its next to Impossible to find that out. But that aside. Yes it happened Years ago and everyone just Ignored it. What does that tell you ? :)

@Crysantos Its unfortunatley plainly obvious that there is little to no intention to take the Communities concern Seriously. So writing this is likely in vain. But regardless. Let me give you a small headsup on what I would have Accepted as a proper response here. 1. Announce that you will Drop the Sale of Lootboxes/Random Packages for Missouri. Which Sends a Direct Message that you Understood the Communities Complaint in regards to your overly Aggressive Monetization by offering Gambling to Kids. 2. Offer Missouri for Purchase with Doubloons in the Armory as you Promised. Which Shows that you have a Sincere Intention to actually stop Misleading People and that should you end up Misleading People in the Future you will at least Own up your "Communication Mistake" and Change the Action to what you Actually said rather than what you claim you wanted to say. 3. MAYBE. Just Maybe. Offer a Discount Coupon for an Event. Which allows to get a Discount of maybe 20% for the Missouri. Thus Demonstrating that You can actually now and then resist making the Maximum Cashgrab. This is not actually Required. And I dont Expect you to just Gift out Mechandise. So its more of a One Time thing for this Specific Case rather than a Commitment for the Future. But given the Circumstances it would Send a Message that you are actually Seriously Sorry and not just trying to Placate People with Empty Words. 4. Announce the Full Contents of the Event up Front and make sure that its not containing any "Communication" Errors. Which is a Simple Gesture to Build Trust and Prevent Speculations which in the current Situation are Guaranteed to only be Negative. 5. Make an Official Announcement that you will Reconsider the Issues with using Habit Forming and Addiction Promoting Gambling Strategies in this Game that is Rated Pegi 7. And Promise to make an Official Announcement on your Decisions as to how to Address this Problem in the Future. BECAUSE THIS IS THE FRIGGIN ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM WHICH THE COMMUNITY IS PUSHING INTO YOUR FACE AND WHICH SO FAR YOU HAVE ENTIRELY IGNORED. And I am just gonna give you another Headsup. This one is Pretty unlikely to go away if you just Ignore it for a few Months. The CCs you Lost may not Represent the Majority of your Players. But they do Represent Nearly a Million of them. And now that they have no more Reason to even try and be Amicable with you. They will be Calling you out on every Occassion. Worse. Unlike the CV Dumpster Fire which even 3 Years later has still not gone Away despite you by now having taken actual action to Improve it. This one is gonna end up Costing you Dearly if you just let it Burn. Greetz Sun.

Whataboutism is neither a Valid Argument nor useful in this Situation. There being Similar but Worse Problems on other Places or there being other Companies which are even Worse is entirely Irrelevant to this Issue about Wargaming. Prices are Dictated by Demand. People Buy Premium Ships. So the Price is Justified. Simple as that.

You can Close your Eyes to Reality. But it wont be Changed by that. Funny enough. This Ignorance and Inability to Accept the Fact that other Regions on Earth got their own History and Culture. Is actually just as Offending as Yuros Jokes.