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Oh dont worry. I had several which did that. One even perfectly stayed at exactly 6m so he was barely above water and could dive at a millisecond. But it doesnt matter. Because if they are too close to me I just circle them above forcing them to stay down. Submerged their Vision range also is like 4km so they cant even Torp me that way. And for Capture it doesnt Matter. If they dip below Surface for but 1 millisecond. Cap is Reset. You can be the Greatest Player in the Universe. And Cheese the World. (By the way the 6m Cheese is something even Sub Players Critisize and say needs to be fixed) but a Ship that does 20-25 Knots wont catch Ships that do 30+ Knots and Drive away. Even less when in between their Speed drops to about 15 Knots repeatedly. You just need to Learn how they work. Compared to a CV these things are entirely Harmless. Because not only is there actual a Class that Hardcounters them and can Kill them easily. But unlike CVs you can actually stay outside their Range and avoid being Hit by them....

Did WG mess up and by some Bug not give any Perma Camos out for the Moskwa ? That would be Hilarious ^^

Played 4 more Games after that. Usually I wont be able to Bomb Subs as they will just Dive. But they cant do anything either. Funny but True. I lost one of these Matches to a Cap. Thing is. After I flew over the Cap just once the Subs just abandoned the Idea of capping. The one who Capped was a Farragut thanks to 2 Minute Smoke. Sorry. But Subs are Pretty Helpless against a CV. Being unable to Cap while Submerged means they cant do anything when I dont allow them to. They can try to Hunt me of course. But unless they are Outnumbering me they really have little chance of ever reaching me. Because I will just keep them Submerged as if they come up I.ll bomb them. And thus they wont just be a bit slower than me. But will be so Slow that I can easily Drive Circles around them in sufficient Distance.

Actually you can lol. Your Free to Try and Drag WG onto a Court in the EU. But they will Win that Case Hands down. lol

Yes and No. If you watched the Replay. You notice I actually almost got Killed by a Submarine. However. It wasnt the one that was Chasing me. But one that came from the Opposite side which I really did not Notice till it Attacked me :) And this is Fine to be Honest. Because Ambushing is their Job You See. Even if the Sub Surfaces I am Faster. And if I force it to Submerge it cant even try to keep up long enough to fire a second Torp Salvo. Thanks to that as long as I am not Ambushed. Subs are Fairly Harmless. Now pls Note. Subs are actually the Best Anti CV Class. Because unlike a DD they can constantly just hide again when you try to get them. Like a Daring with Fast Reloading Smoke. Just that it reloads even faster and can be used Unlimited Times. For Capping however. Subs are actually Vulnearble to the CV. Because unlike a DD which can just Smoke up. They cant Cap while being Hidden.

Wont happen. I know its Frustrating if People throw the Game early on. But being Bad at the Game is not against the Rules. And the Fact also is that depending on the Class even a Single Mistake or even just Bad Luck can sometimes end your Live instantly. I had Games in Cruisers where I was Spotted by Aircraft over 20km of Enemy Fleet like 2 Minutes into the Game. I was Perfectly Angled and Maneuvered. But still 2 Enemy Battleships apparently had the Guns close to my Position and Managed to get Shells out. Resulting in me getting Instant Deleted by Plunging Fire Citadels. (Angling does not help against Plunging Fire because the Angle of your Deck doesnt Change regardless of which way your Bow is Facing.) Likewise I also had several cases where I was in a BB and Deleted Cruisers like this right away in the Game. Punishing Players like this makes no Sense. Moreover. In a Sense they are already Punished. Because most Rewards Depend entirely on your Base Exp Gain. And Players which Die like this will often end up with like 200 Base Exp. Meaning they Pay Full Maintenance Cost while effectively getting next to no Reward if they Die like this.

As Mentioned above. Few Weeks ago. Creative Assembly gave out Shogun 2 for Free. Actually alot of Games in General were given out for Free all over the Place. Some Companies gave out Free Stuff as well including Unlimited High Speed Internet for Mobile Contracts etc etc. I got Shogun 2 right away for 60 Euro back then. Funny enough they a while ago even made an additional thing like that. They turned the Fall of the Samurai DLC (which is more with Muskets and Cannons instead of Katanas) which was the Primary Reason I got the Game at all. Into a Standalone Game. Meaning I effectively bought Shogun 2 for nothing. Because I only got it because the Fall of Samurai DLC was Interesting. But See Mate. And thats the thing. Prices Change ALL THE TIME. Steam each Friggin Year gives Tons of Games out for up to 90% Discount. And Some People even actually wait all Year till these Sales. Because they want the Game but dont want to Spend more Money than Necessary. WITH EVERY SINGLE ITEM YOU BUY. There is a Risk that it becomes Cheaper or even Free later on. Why would you be this Frustrated about this ? This is a Risk everyone who has been doing Business should be aware off. And well. i say Risk. For many People its actually something they actively Wait for as they might not be able to afford these Items for Full Price or because they want to get it Cheaper. And this is the thing. You say you can understand their Frustration. But I honestly cant. I mean Sorry. But you give that Example of a Car. Now guess what. I bought a Car for 30k and Just 1 Year later the Car effectively is worth just about 15k. This isnt strange. I saw several 1 Year used Cars on Sale for 15-20k when I got my New Car. Now the same New Car would cost about 17k New by the way. (Its 3 Years Old now) Maybe it will actually go up in Value in 20 years. lol But do you think I would be Jealous of everyone who got the same Car for less than me ? Fun Fact. My Colleague just 3 Months after I got my Car Delivered. Got himself the same Car with several Additional Upgrades for 25k. Because the Car I got was very Popular that Time. And so a Month after I bought it. They decided to Produce a much Bigger Batch and Ramped up Production thus also Decreasing the Price. Well Bad Luck for me. But you know what. In Germany we have a Saying on that. "Man muss Gönnen Können" Which means as much as "You need to able to Accept that sometimes others get something you didnt and be happy for them instead of Jealous" I just dont get why People would be this Angry just because they werent Lucky this Time. I mean Sorry. But Seriously. We are talking about what here ? 16 Euro ? WG is Giving Away an 16 Euro Item for Free which was Sold before. And only for a Limited Time and under Certain Conditions as well. Is it really Worth to be this Friggin jealous over a friggin 16 Euro Gift ???

Yeah Outrageus. A Few Weeks Ago Creative Assembly did the same to me. Giving out Shogun 2 for Free even tough I paid 60 Euro for it back in the Day. These Unbeleivable Evil People. How Dare they give others something for Free that I paid for. Sigh.... Sorry Guys. But Seriously. This is getting Boring. You are losing NOTHING. Your just Angry that Wargaming Dares giving other People something for Free that you have Bought before. Thats all there is. And Sorry. But this Entitled Attitude is just Annoying at this Point. When you got Moskwa it didnt Say "Purchase Soviet Tech Tree Slot 10 Ship" it said "Purchase Moskwa" This Pitiful Attempt at somehow making it Sound like you would be robbed of something is making no Sense whatsoever. I actually Doubt WG wanted to do anything good there. They simply changed something that nobody in his Sane Mind would expect to be Contested. They effectively moved a Ship to a different Position and made it Harder to get in the Future. And since the Ship in Future will Include a Perma Camo in the Price they decided to just Gift a Perma Camo to Everyone who doesnt have one. Their Only Mistake was that they Underestimated just how Selfish and Jelous People can get when others get something for Free that they have Paid for. I got a Graf Spee. And Guess what. In the Event of Odin Now. I will only get a few Credits and a useless Camo for it from the Event instead of getting a Premium Ship. But do you see me Complain about not getting Doubloons ? Nope. Instead I went ahead telling my Friends to get an easy Graf Spee for Free if they got some Time. Would Doubloons be Nice ? Yes of course. I would love getting Doubloons. Especially because a T6 Ship wont give me any noteworthy Credits in the First Place. But I can be Happy that others get something for Free. So instead of being Jelous that others get something for Free that I have Paid Money for. I just say alright. Lucky Ba****** and Smile it off. Yet People here are going round trying to be a Lawjer using Chewbacka Tactic claiming. Oh no no. I never wanted Moskva or Camo for Moskva. I just wanted a T10 Soviet Cruiser and a Premium Camo for it regardless of what Ship it is. And Sorry. But I dont Buy it. I just see a Bunch of Jelous People complaining at this Affront to their Royal Entitlement because WG dares giving others something for Free that they already got and thus dont get.

Hmm. So I just Reset the British CV Line. Just for the Fun of it. Free Exped to Furious (cause I dont wanna Sealclub T4) and then went to Submarine Battle (Because well. Its extra Exp after all and Furious is T6 anyways. So why not) And well. I already know that this will instantly create alot of People Screaming again. But Seriously. I just dont see these Invulnearble Submarines. They cant Capture Points while Submerged. So I effectively just waited for them to Try and Cap. And then Bombed them while my own Sub and a Bot Captured their Base instead lol. For those who want to see themselves just how Invincible Subs are.... 20200610_021335_PBSA106-Furious_41_Conquest_Sub.wowsreplay

Currently I think it will work like this. Each of the Directive Missions Unlocks 1 Building Stage. This Building Stage is always the next Open One. So if you Buy a Stage the next Grinded One will just Open one Further. Which means you could also Buy Stages 1+2 and then Grind 18 Stages to get Odin. Likewise you could Grind 6 Stages. Then Buy 2 and then Grind 12 more to get Odin. Or you could Grind all 18 Stages you can and then Buy 2 for Odin. However. Any Stage you Earn after having Finished Odin Provides 250 Steel. So if you Buy all 20 Stages. You can still do the 18 Missions for the +1 Stage Reward. But as you already have all Stages Completed. You instead get 250 Steel. So if he Buys the Starter Pack for 8 Stages. This means he then will do 12 Missions for +1 Stage level to get Odin. And after that he still has 6 Missions Remaining. Each of which will give him 250 Steel if he Completes them. But thats just how I think it will work. No Guarantee its actually going to be like that.

Read Properly Mate. I said "Even Extremely Good Players will Struggle to get far over the 70% Mark WHEN PLAYING SOLO"

Odin is useless. But I by Default try to Collect all German Ships. So I will get it Regardless. Even if it basicly will just Sit in Port as I will never really bother using this Trash. I did consider Buying the Steel. But the Price isnt Good enough I think.

1. What many People dont Realize. 50/50 Chance doesnt mean you will Win 1 out of 2 Games. It doesnt even mean you Win 50 out of 100 Games. It just means that the Total Result will be somewhere close to 50 Wins out of 100 Games. But 50% Chance to Win can easily Result in 5 Losses in a Row as well. A Losing Streak is therefore nothing Strange. 2. And thats the thing. WoWs is a 12 vs 12 Game. So even the Absolutely Best Player in the World. Will sooner or later have a Losing Streak because he just gets a Bad Roll and ends up with Potato Teams several Times in a Row. You can Laugh at me. But I had a Day where I lost 6 Games in a Row in my Midway. And if you look at my Midway Stats you will see Pretty Fast that I am certainly not a Midway Player who would Drag down the Team. But in these Streak each Single Time I was Faced with either 1-2 Full Divisions from Pro Player Clans which were 60%+ and even 70%+ Winrate Players each. Or my Team was so Incredible Potato that basicly the Match ended up as a Race of Time where I was Desperately Trying to Somehow Beat the Enemy Team alone Faster than my own Team could Manage to get themselves Killed without doing anything. This kind of thing can Happen. Random is Random. And as MM does not Take Skill into Account it is not Rare to See One Team having 3 or more Purple Players mixed with Green and Blue Players. While the other Team is You+8 Red and 3 Yellow Players. 3. Perception is actually Importand Here. Most Players dont Judge based on "Carrying the Team" they Judge based on Carrying their own Weight. Meaning if they do 1-3 Kills and 100k Damage then they Rightfully Assume that THEY did their Job and Carried themselves and Possibly even more than their Fair Share. Because if everyone had done the Same they would have Won. But they didnt. If half your Team Dies with 10k Damage after 5 Minutes. Or just Camps in the Rear all day having 50k Damage from Enemy BBs likely non of which Stuck on them as they Healed it and thus sit there with Full HP after 15 Minutes into the Game. Then this wont be enough. And it is mostly these Players that will then Complain about Losing Streaks. because while they Clearly Carry more than their Fair Share of the Battle. They still arent Good enough to actually Carry the Game. And that means if the Team they get from RNG is Bad they will Lose. And well. Sometimes RNG will just give you Bad Teams one after the other. In the End. The Fact is that this Game is very RNG Based. Even Extremely Good Players will Struggle to get far over the 70% Mark when Playing Solo. And even Full Divs of Extremely Good Players will still end up Losing Matches here and there. The Better you get the more you get the Ability to Tip the RNG in your Favor. But no matter how good you get. RNG will always sooner or later be tipped so far against you that no matter what you do you just cant manage to stem the Tide.

Ah. I tought it was a Cruiser cause he Listed it Seperately. ^^

Are there any Plans or Considerations to Implement more Modern Ships into the Game ? Like Ships Equipped with Missile Weapons and Autocannons as well as Guided Torpedoes. @Sehales @MrConway

And ? There IS Issues with Subs lol. Them Spotting Targets for the Entire Fleet even on 80m Depth is an Issue. And them being Entirely Immune to Waterbombs above 6m but entirely Immune to HE Shells and Bombs below 6m is also an Issue. Whats not an Issue is that they can Deny Attacks from some Ships. Because as I said Mate. I know you dont like Subs. And I know you would like for Subs to be so Weak that they are Unplayable and thus effectively could just as well not be there. But this wont Fly. Because then Spreadsheet will say. "Subs dont do Damage. Subs dont Kill anyone. And Subs effectively dont do anything aside from constantly being Killed" And then WG will just Buff them and Buff them till this no longer Happens. And if even a Friggin Colorado is Faster than them and can Drop Waterbombs on them. Well guess how WG will Fix that Problem. Thats right. They will just make it so that Subs which are Submerged are Faster than BBs and Heavy Cruisers. Meaning they will make it so. That like DDs. The Subs can Run away from them. Welcome to having Subs going 30+ Knots Submerged. :)

Mate we are Talking about the usual Outcome. Not about Oddities. Eskimo got Hit in the Nose and the Nose effectively got Blown Off of the Ship lol. Kelly was Hit by a Torp and was only barely above Water. It was entirely Combat Incapacitated and had to be Towed back to Port by another Ship. The Ships Deck was Submerged. And the Ship was barely kept Afloat thanks to Sealed Compartments Producing enough Buyoancy that the Ship remained above Water. Javelin was Effectively Destroyed as well. Not to be Offensive. Its Great that Effectively a Sealed of Part of her Center Ship remained above Water xD But the Ship was Effectively Destroyed. It was Incapacitated and alos had to be Towed Back to Port. It should tell you something that these Hits to Bow and Stern effectively caused these Sections to BREAK OFF OF THE SHIP lol These are Oddities. Not the Rule. And Yes. This can of course happen with Anti Ship Missiles as well. I mean Sorry But "" Almost all British cruiser designs post 1920 were designed to withstand more than one torpedo hit without losing power or the ability to fight "" Sounds very Wrong when the Example you give me is a Ship which got Hit on the Far Ends of the Ship which Resulted in these Sections being broken Off entirely and leaving a Ship that once was 110 Meters long in a State where the Ships entire Length was Reduced to 47 Meters because effectively the only thing that Remained was an Sealed Off Part of the Center Ship. Because no Offense Intended. But I seriously Doubt that these 47 Meters of the Ship would Count as being in Fighting Condition lol. Not just because the Engines and Propellers were gone. But also the Guns were Gone lol.

Nice Explanation of the Entire Event. I should Correct one Mistake tough. You got the Description of the Odin Wrong. You talked something about an Excellent Close Range Fighter with Good Main Battery Reload or something. The Correct Description is. "A Useless Piece of Junk that will Die if someone Farts in its General Direction and whose Guns cant Hurt Enemy BBs or even Heavy Cruisers unless they Show Flat Broadside 10km away."

Nope. Tons of People in this Mode are Lining up and Waiting Minutes just to Play Subs. Hence A Ton of People want Subs. But of course Classes which are Supposed to be Weak against Subs dont want to Play a Seperate Gamemode. Just like BBs would likely Opt into a Gamemode without DDs if they Could. Or how DDs would Opt into a Gamemode without CVs or Radar Cruisers if they had that Choice. And how BBs would certainly not Opt into a Mode which had only DDs and BBs inside it :) Thats how Wargaming will Put it. And WG wants Subs as well. So Guess what. They will be more than Happy to Grant that Wish. But WG also has a Vested Interest to make this as Balanced as Possible so People dont actually get Outraged over it. And WG will take Steps to make sure it is at least Halfwat Balanced. They are Slower than a Colorado and your Expecting them to Avoid being Detected by DDs that go Twice that Speed ? Yeah. lets not Talk about it Mate. Sorry. But that isnt even enough of an Argument to Warrant my usual WoT Response.

In this case there was no Statement that Missiles wont be Coming into WoWs. Someone was so nice to Cut out the Statement earlier. WG merely Said that after Testing they werent Satisfied with the Result and Shelved the Idea for now. There was no Statement that there would never be anything like it. Just that it wasnt to be expected in the nearer future as they are still loaded out for quite a while with other Projects for the Game. I will Answer both your Comments together. 1. Erm No Mate. It wasnt Upgraded to. The Heavy Weapons like Torpedoes have always been from Day 1 intended for Onehitting Enemies of roughly Equal Size and Partially even Bigger. 2. And No Mate. Torpedoes actually have a way Bigger Power than the Exocet Missile. Which isnt Surprising because most Ship Launched Torpedoes weight over 1000kg and have a Warhead of over 200kg of Explosives. As I said. The Exocet Fragmentation Warhead was Similar in Power to an 40cm HE Shell. Funny Enough. The Exocet also was an Semi Armor Piercing Missile. Meaning its Penetration was actually also not that Great. It is actually unlikely it would be Capable of Penetration Battleship Belt Armor. 3. This is actually Wrong as well. Armor of Post War Destroyers was actually pretty much the Same as WW2 Destroyers. The Reason is that Destroyers in WW2 were not Armored in the First Place. Destroyers Armor was effectively just the Hull Thickness. And that Hull Thickness was more or less the same for Post War Destroyers as well. Only few Destroyers had any Armor at all and even that was often limited to only Cover Areas like the Magazine. Funny enough. Some Post War Destroyers in 50s to 60s were actually even better Armored as they were among the few Destroyers which had such actual Armor Plating. 4. And that brings us to the Gamey Part of it. This is a Game. In Reality most Destroyers and Light Cruisers Hit by a Single Torpedo would be Blown out of the Water and Break Clean in Half. For DDs the same is True when Hit by an HE Shell from a Battleship Caliber Gun. But this is not Reality. In the Game DDs can actually Survive Torpedo Hits and they Certainly Can Survive Hits from BB HE Shells. And Sorry. But thats not because their 19mm Armor (Which is already more than many DDs had in WW2) Protects them. Its because the Game is Programmed this way. In Reality they would not Survive such a Hit. So if this was to ever come into the Game. This would of course also Follow Game Rules. Meaning that Missiles for example would likely require the Player to Constantly Hit Manual Aimed Radar Pings at a Target for the Missile to Remain Homing. And the Missiles would likely only do about as much Damage as Aircraft Torpedoes. Meaning that likely these Ships would be Added as Tiers 11-12-13 etc. So T10 would likely only Face stuff from the 50s T11-12 being stuff from the 60s and 80s Stuff sitting around T14 and higher. Its possible there would be a Change to Classes as well. With Frigates Continuing from DD Lines. Destroyers Continuing from Cruiser Lines and Cruisers Continuing from BB Lines as they effectively changed their Roles to such an Extend. This is a Game. Not Reality. So you can Expect that just like the Artillery in Reality was Hitting only One out of a Hundred Shells when Fighting at 20km being made Accurate to in the Game Hit about 10 out of 100 Shells when Firing at such Ranges. (Even more for Cruisers which is also Unhistorical as they would have harder time than BB Hitting at high Ranges but are more Accurate in the Game) the Missiles and Autocannons etc would be made less Accurate to make sure it remains a Game. Or do you think the Acoustic Guided Torpedoes we now got with Submarines. Would have Stopped being Guided 1km in front of an Enemy Ship suddenly ? This is a Mechanic to Allow Evasion. Nothing else. Its not Historical lol. Missiles would like work like that too. Require constant Radar Pings and Stop being Homing at Distance X to make sure they are never Guaranteed to Hit. No 80s ECM Tech Required for this Mate. Because ITS A GAME. Its not Reality. If you tought so far that this Game is an even remotely Realistic Display of WW2 Technology then Sorry to Dissappoint you. But a Destroyer in WW2 in Reality Survived about as many Hits from a 40cm HE Shell or a Torpedo as a Modern Destroyer in Reality Survived from an Exocet or other Anti Ship Missiles. I know. This is one of the Reasons why I asked. The Swedish DDs also have fairly Modern 120mm Autocannons already. Which isnt Surprising as Ships like Halland are 50s-60s Technology. This is why I wondered if we can Expect this kind of thing. But Mirage Posted the Picture which is Fairly Recent. So I doubt we will be getting anything like it in the next 2 years.

1. Erm. Take a Look at the Swedish DDs.... 2. This is not a Simulation. So Weapons and Ships will work by Damage and HP that is decided by Balance not by Reality. Or do you think a 460mm HE Shell from Yamato would not have Onehit a Gearing in Reality ? Exocet had about as much Power as a Shell from 40cm Gun or a Torpedo. :) So nothing Special in the Game.

Looking at the other Responses in the Topic. I guess 99% of the Playerbase is WG Employees then. Actually you just dont realize it. But in Reality. Your the Only Actual Player in the Game. Rest of us is actually all WG Employees making sure you only Win when you dont Mount Signals :)

Oh its this Rubbish again.....

Oh dont get me wrong. Subs getting into Randoms was always Clear. I said Hastening the Process. Not enabling the Process. As I said before. Submarines being Implemented is non Negotiable. But by Boycotting them in a different Mode and Denying WG the Data Required to Progress their Development. Will result in them Hastening the Process and Testing them in Randoms instead. Thus you having to deal with them even Sooner. As I said before. My Assumption based on their current Release Shedule with German CVs etc. Is that Submarines are this Years Big Christmas Thing. And I doubt that this is even movable at this Point. So Subs will Come at Christmas regardless of any Actions by the Community. But. Wether or not the Testing Remains in a Seperate Mode or Moves to Primary Mode until that Time. And the Quality and Balance of Submarines when they Enter Randoms on Christmas. Depends on them being Tested Properly in the Submarine Testing Mode.

Thanks :)