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Nvm, i give up. You guys have seemingly no idea about game(!) design or how a game(!) should work for players. You dont seem to understand the core issue im describing, so argueing is useless. I for one wont stay with this game for too long, just as all my other friends i know who tried it. If it goes on like this, WoWs will end like WoWp

Very constructive comment about the topic. Thanks. You would have just as little chance. Grab your mighty Montana or Yamato, give me a tiny wee Tier 7 DD like Mahan, Sims or Blyska and i will kill you in it, i garantee it, absolutely no matter how good or how bad someone is. As long as you understand a broken game mechanic and can exploit that, you win, becasue the game design makes it possible for you, regardless of player skill.

You didnt understand my point. Its not about who is more powerfull than the other. Its about having a chance to counter an enemy. Imagine if Montana could close to Yamato to 8km distance, shoot from 10 without getting spotted. No matter how powerful yamato is and how bad Montana bow is against yamato, he would still have a clear advantage over the yamato. The issue is not about how OP or not something it is. We are playing a game, where people should have a chance to win. If a game mechanic negates that chance to 0 becasue there is absolutely no way in the game to counter your opponent, then its a broken game. Imagine you are playing Diablo II, you club yourself right up to Diablo just to find out hes invisible and he shoots his fraking lighting at you that toasts you. How would you feel ? Try a few times, then leave the game and uninstall, move on to the next. I dont find DD op at all, they are very situational. What im trying to say is that there is a certian game mechanic, one aspect about destroyers, that is broken and shouldnt be like that in a game where everyone deserves a fighting chance. You guys dont even read properly judging from the comments, you just see "oh someone said something agaisnt DD's and BB's where in the same sentence he must be a crynoob, lets bash him". No. Im pointing out a game design flaw that shouldnt be there. Every class can counter an other class in some way, except BB's DD's.

#1. No, if you turn for flags, DD will follow you and spam you with HE from beyond detection range. As soon as you reach flag to cap, he keeps spamming you beyond detection range and decaps. You lose. #2. Its absolutely no hate, its broken game mechanics. I like playing DD myself, but even a complete noob sees that in a GAME ! such things shouldnt happen. This is what leads people to stop playing the game, and that is not the goal of a company that lives from player numbers. If you have absolutely 0 chance, you stop playing. Why should you ? So you get killed by the same broken game mechanic over and over again ? Go play Ranked, it happens every game.

Bro, you dont get the point. Montana can spot, position and shoot back at Yamato. The issue is that against a DD you have NO CHANCE, no matter how good you are, simply because game mechanic gives you no chance. You cant spot it, you cant shoot back and no matter what you do, after some time eventually you end up dead becasue all you can do is cruise around and get shot at.

Never said they shouldnt. DD's have torps, thats their main armament and thats what they should use. Some punny little peashooter guns shouldnt be able to bring down BBs. I dont need to show you replays, you know yourself that i am right. You dont need to try to prove a point that you enjoy flaming ships from within detection range and try to defend it. Play ranked. Every mahan or sims will rape anything you meet from beyond detection range, and you cant tell me that every player there has 15 pt captains. Same for Blyska. Also: #1: Will get oyu killed in 2 minutes. #2: Will get you killed slightly slower. #3 Will get you killed before you can do that. [edited]excuses

The game not only cosists of T9 and T10. There are 8 other tiers, especially the mid tiers around 6-8 where this issue is extreme. Also, you didnt understand the point. There is a difference if you can be seen by the enemy you kill and have the possibility to do so, than to not even see your enemey at all and have no chance. A DD should be able to kill a BB, sure, thats what it is for, but not without giving the other player absolutely no chance, because in a game that player will just ragequit and leave the game for good if he sees himself put into games where he is 100% helpless against others. You dont play a game for certian defeats, you play a game to have a competing chance against other players, no matter what class you play.

Thats true, but the big difference is that you can counter the CV. You see the planes coming in and you have AA. The usefullness of the AA is an other criteria, but you have the POSSIBILITY to do something against it. Against a DD you have NO POSSIBILITY at all. CV's are a lot less broken imo than DD, as they lose planes with their attacks and have to sacrafice at leas something and eventually run out of planes, the Destroyer can just happily spam HE shells at you for 20 minutes and you have no chance to do anything about it.

No, just no. Please show me how you didge a rain of shells from like 8-9km in a US BB when there is a volley coming in at you every 6 sconds. Please dont write [edited]. If the DD player has the brain capacity to fire from beyond view range he has the brain capacity to lead his shots, and with 20 something seconds rudder shift time between turns you get hit by at least 2-3 barrages. Also, you are missing the point of the post. Even IF! you could dodge them, its still poor game design if you are in a class that can do nothing but hopelessly dodge shots till the battle time runs out. Thats not how a game is supposed to be. DD's armament should be there to battle other light targets at close range such as other DD's, and not to bring down Battleships 10x the size of them.

If you move with 1/3 the speed of your spit i cant see the problem ..

Imo a significant game design flaw is that a Destroyer can shoot without getting spotted. In a game (! mind you), everyone should ahve at least a chance to counter an enemy player, otherwise it gets frustrating to play if you have - by game design - absolutely no chance and are doomed to lose. As a destroyer you can simply run from any other ship larger than you, stay outside the spot range and just shell them with HE for the entire battle and grind them down by fires, and the poor players have 0 chance to do anything. No chance to spot, no chance to counter. Imo that is extremely frustrating for everyone playing anything else except DD's and should be changed. Fireing from smoke, yes, sure, but from open water .. no. A single Destroyer can win a round alone if the enemy has only cruisers and battleships, that shouldnt happen. It is a game, yes, and we have different classes for different roles, but it is a GAME, and it shouldnt lead to extrem frustration. I for my self just stop and let myself getting killed if there is a DD left against me as there is absoltely no sense in running after it for minutes having no chance to spot it if you are playing anything that is slower than 40 knt.

But shouldnt be there some kind of filter involved that actually checks the chatlog agaisnt a list of "bad words" before you get chat banned ? I just came from a battle that started with "Saipan p2w noob reported hope you get banned form ranked", and boom i got reported again without even doing anything. Unjustified reporting should not punish you. If you use the F or the R word a lot and someone reports you for missbehaviour in chat then its okay, the system should see that you indeed used a lot of swear words and ban you for that. But if you havent typed anything the entire round jsut to find yourself chat banned again next round is just poor.

Well its mostly becasue its pretty much impossible to reach higher ranks if you dont play Destroyers. Everything else is completely useless in ranked

So who is actually having fun in Ranked ? Imo its the msot frustrating gaming experience i've ever had. 4-5 DD's per team completley break everything.

I dropped from rank 7 to rank 11 today and didnt slit my wrist. Thats my biggest achievment for today.

I played around 80 ranked bettels now this season, i have yet so see a BB that lives longer than DD'

I had a low HP DD captain that sailed between my guns blazing Nagato and an enemy today. Not much to say than he got shredded in seconds by the aux. fire and i turned pink too. Secs should be taken out of the "team damage" thingie as you have no way to controll them let alone deliberately fire them at allies.

Yeh, like my Colorado hitting all 8 shells into the flat side of a Molotov from 2.5km with 2380 dmg, just to see him do 50k dmg to me with a torp salvo.

Ranked = DD Everything else is nonesense to play and just a burden to the team. Sad actually, was looking forward to Season 4, but with this DD spam its just frustrating to play anything but a destroyer

Yay, went from rank 8 to 10 again. Playing BB is completely useless and only a burden to the team at this moment. With 3-5 DD per Team there is nothing you can do. Getting burned from invisible DD's + Torp spam makes it pretty much impossible to have any positive impact on the team. I just free XP'ed a T6 DD, and voila, in two games i did more than with a BB in the last 10 combined. Ranked = DD, everything else is just a waste of recources. Also, this will be defiantely my last ranked season if there wont be a hard cap for destroyers next time.

I had DD's kill me before i could reload my second premium fire ex. Thats 50 seconds and i was dead by quad fire. So actually yes, you gonna die even faster than 1 minute.

So lucky ? I have that every second round of ranked i play. Kiev, Mahan, Sims, Blyska .. They can all just simply solo every ship in the game by just driving infront of them and staying out of spot range, spamming HE away. You are absolutely chanceless as you have no way to spot it or shoot back. A DD out of view range is the ultimate gamebreaker, as you always should ahve at least some way to counter an enemy player. If he just trolls you without you being able to do anything its just bad game design. Imagine playing Counter Strike but you dont get to have a gun while the enemy has one. Wouldnt be fun for a long time, dont you think ? And, if you think he snot using his ship right then you are doing something wrong. Roasting any enemy without the danger of getting hit is hardly "doing it wrong"

Actually AP does way too little damage to DD's

Ignore the DD and you are dead by fire in 1 minute. Smart idea. BB CANT take the damage, as they are down in seconds by tripple/quad fire

3 Fighters are enough to gain air superiority against any other CV, and the DB squad is great at raping DD's. The TB's are useless imo