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Tarskin #1 Posted 04 September 2012 - 09:02 AM

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Eendracht class (light) cruiser

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Fig 1. Zeven Provincien class close up

The ships of this class were meant to replace the old Java-class cruisers in the defence of the Dutch Indies. Orginally they had a main battery of 8 x 5.9 inch guns, but such an armament wasn't powerful enough in comparison with the modern cruisers built by the other navies. They were redisigned instead, being equipped with 10 guns and a modern AA-battery of 40 mm Bofors guns. The Germans found these ships at the dockyards after May 1940, but the construction was only in an early stage. Although the Germans planned to complete them as the trainingcruisers KH 1 and KH 2, the dockyards' capacity was put to other use, so the construction only advanced very slowly. In 1944, the Germans decided to block several ports with blockships, and the Zeven Provinciën was launched ( with the German atlantic bow ) to block the Nieuwe Waterweg. Fortunately, she was never used this way, both ships could be completed both war. The design however was modified several times, now implementing the lessons learned in the war. This meant that the ships didn't look like the original design at all, that displacement and dimensions were increased and appeared to be better ships. Originally, they were in fact a enlargement of the smaller cruiser De Ruyter, which was sunk in the Battle of the Javasea. Commissioned by the Dutch since 1953, the ships were bought by the Peruvian navy in the seventies, and are now approaching the end of their careers.

Preliminary design of 1947
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Fig 2. Sketch drawing of original design

Post-1972 look of the cruisers
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Fig 3. Sketch drawing of modernized design

General Characteristics

Displacement:
12,040 tonnes

Length:
187.32 m

Beam:
17.25 m

Draught:
6.72 m

Propulsion:
4 Werkspoor-Yarrow three-drum boilers
2 De Schelde Parsons geared steam turbines
2 shafts
85,000 shp

Speed:
32 knots

Range:
7,000 nm at 12 knots

Complement:
973

Armament:
8 x 152 mm main guns
8 x 57 mm AA guns
8 x 40 mm AA guns

Armor:
50-76 mm belt
50-125 mm turrets
50-125 mm conning tower

Ships in class

There are two ships in the class: HNLMS De Zeven Provinciën (renamed De Ruyter in 1947) and Kijkduin (renamed Eendracht c. 1940, De Ruyter in 1944 and De Zeven Provinciën in 1947). Both ships have enjoyed long service lives, first in the Koninklijke Marine (until early 1970s) and then in the Marina de Guerra del Perú.

'Modern' day service

In Dutch service both ships participated in several NATO exercises, and were frequently used as flagships for different naval task forces. Between 1962 and 1964, the De Zeven Provinciën underwent a refit by RDM which included the removal of the two aft turrets and the installation of a RIM-2 Terrier SAM system. Lack of funds precluded the same modifications from being carried out in the De Ruyter, which was decommissioned in 1973. Her sister ship followed suit in 1976; the cruisers were replaced in Dutch service by the two Tromp-class frigates.

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Fig 4: HrMs Zeven Provincien (modernized) at sea

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Fig 5. Almirante Grau at sea

Veterans story of serving aboard the HrMS Zeven Provincien (translated)

Spring 1969 I got transfered to the HrMs Zeven Provincien after 2.5 years of service on the HrMs Limburg. I got sent there with mixed feelings as larger ships and bases did not really agree with it. Luckily I got a nice job straight away, 'paay-gevechtscentrale'. (Dutch) cruisers seperate the battleops (?) from the command and control and therefore we mostly did anti-aircraft and aircraft escorting. Radar equipment such as the VI (Vertical Indicator) were completely new to me as were the equipment with which we could aim the Terrier missiles. This job gave me the oppurtinity to get acquinted with both said systems. Central in our battleops we had a huge podium with a air'plot' and some smaller ones at the sides of the battleops room. The monitors for our artillery were placed in a different corner. The Zeven Provinces was classified as a light cruiser as was her sister ship the HrMs De Ruyter, the HrMs Zeven Provines got her aft section completely rebuilt however to make room for the Terrier weapon system.

The Terrier is an american anti-air missile which was used by the American Navy from the 50s till shortly after 1970 when they were replaced by the Standard Missile. The Terrier was a two step missile for medium range. The Royal Netherlands Navy received a Terrier system towards the end of the 50s for the Zeven Provincien. The movie "Kies Zee" of the RNN shows how shortly after installing the missile system they performed some practice firing. These excercises were all performed in american waters. I myself never experienced an actual missile firing, they probably were a bit thrifty about it.... -:) We did practice extensively with readying and aiming, normally a learjet was rented by the navy for these excercises.

We made several trips with the ship to e.g. Casablanca - Lissabon - Gibraltar - Portmouth (Plymuiden) - Invergorden - Cadiz and Bordeaux. The fleet commandant announced shortly after leaving Bordeaux that he was displeased by the large amoung of crew members put on penalty parade.... -;)

PS: I am open to suggestions for a better translation of the original text (see sources).All smileys and weird punctuation were copied/translated as directly as possible.

Sources:

www.netherlandsnavy.nl
http://en.wikipedia....n_class_cruiser
http://nl.wikipedia....ovinciën_(1953)
http://home.kabelfoo...provincien.html
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Edited by Tarskin, 04 September 2012 - 09:19 AM.


kelly0101 #2 Posted 04 September 2012 - 10:06 AM

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Good to see we have some people who are interested in our (the dutch) navy!
Too bad we're a green water navy nowadays :(

Tarskin #3 Posted 04 September 2012 - 01:46 PM

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*nods* We should not let the importance of our navy in WW2 be forgotten or overlooked however ;)

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A Dutch Admiral led an Allied Fleet into Battle.
(Battle of the Java Sea)

Tarskin #5 Posted 04 September 2012 - 02:56 PM

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That would be Karel Doorman, he lead the ABDA (American, British, Dutch and Australian) fleet in a battle where the japanese basically decimated the ABDA fleet due to air superiority and the long range torpedoes (which until then, had not been encountered before by the allies).

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Ah yes, mister Doorman. One of my heroes, he chose to go down with his ship!

Too bad his final missions were mainly a disaster

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I might be able to translate some things that surviving crew members stated after the Java Sea from another book that i have:

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PS: Yes... it's from 1944 and super brittle but first hand accounts are worth so much in my opinion ;)

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I should list my entire library of naval books someday haha :P

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oh my dear lord, I need to change underwear now!

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Just suggested this on the NA forums, but as the RNN is too small to be a nation on its own, the Eendracht class could be included in the German tree, just like the Gerard Callenburgh destroyers. As the Germans really did try to complete the cruisers and they finished and used Hr. Ms. Gerard Callenburgh as destroyer ZH1.

If the Germans can use French and Czech tanks in WoT, they can use Dutch ships in WoWs! ;)


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kelly0101 #11 Posted 05 September 2012 - 12:36 PM

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Totally!
If we are having some dutch ships, I'm getting all of them!

Tarskin #12 Posted 05 September 2012 - 02:18 PM

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@JeeWeeJ

I completely disagree with the RNN being too small (i'm including a list of ships in use at the outbreak of WW2 below here, NOT including the Colonial Navy) and disagree even more with being part of the german tree for obvious reasons o.O

Royal Netherlands Navy (~300 ships total)

Battlecruisers/Battleships (7-12 planned)

4x / 9x Battleship designs 1913
3x Battlecruiser designs 1939-1940

Cruisers(5 ships total, 2 unfinished)

2x Java-class (1925)
1x De Ruyter (1937)
2x Tromp-class (1938)
2x Eendracht-class (1953)

Destroyers(15 ships total)

8x Admiralen-class (1928)
1x Campbeltown (1941)(destroyer of the British "Town"-class)
4x Gerard Callenburgh-class (1941)
2x N-class (1942)

Submarines(39 ships total)

3x K.V-class (1916)
3x K.VIII-class (1917)
3x K.XI-class (1922)
5x K.XIV-class (1930)
1x O.7-class (1914)
1x O.8-class (1915)
3x O.9-class (1922)
4x O.12-class (1928)
1x O.16-class (1936)

2x O.19-class (1936)
7x O.21-class (1937)
4x Zwaardvis-class (1942)
2x Walrus-class (1943)

Minelayers(12 ships total)

2x Hydra-class (1910)
2x Douwe Aukes-class (1922)
1x Pro Patria (1923)
1x Krakatau (1924)
1x Nautilus (1930)
2x Prins van Oranje-class (1932)
1x Jan van Brakel (1936)
1x Willem van der Zaan (1939)
1x Unnamed Minelayer (1941)

Auxiliary minelayers(5 ships total)

1x Rigel (1931)
1x Soemenep (1940)
1x Bangkalan (1942)
2x Regulus-class

Minesweepers(30 ships total)

4x M-class (1918)
4x A-class (1930)
4x Van Amstel-class (1937)
12x No I to XII
3x 105 feet-class (1942)
3x 126 feet-class (1943)

Auxiliary minesweepers(55 ships total)

6x ABC-class (1940)
10x DEFG-class (1941)
6x Smeroe-class (1941)
33x Trawler-minesweepers & danlayers (1939)

MTB's(57 ships total)

18x TM 4 -class (1940)
10x TM 51-class (1939)
15x TM 22-class (1942)
3x MTB 202-class (1942)
6x MTB 222-class (1942)
5x MTB 418-class (1942)

Torpedoboats(10 ships total)

1x Christiaan Cornelis-class (1905)
3x G.13-class (1914)
5x Z-class (1916)
1x Bouclier (1940)(French "La Melpomène"-class)

Sloops and gunboats(15 ships total)

4x Thor - class
3x Gruno-class (1914)
2x Flores-class (1926)
1x Johan Maurits van Nassau (1933)
1x Van Kinsbergen (1939)
4x K-class (1946)

Anti-submarine vessels and patrolboats(38 ships total)

6x Submarinehunters A to F
3x Enern, Toern and Femern (1940)(Militarized Norwegian whalers)
1x Jean Frederic (1940)(French anti-submarine trawler)
1x Notre Dame de France (1940)(French anti-submarine trawler)
8x Higgins-boats (1941) (anti-submarine motor boats)
16x B-class (patrol craft)
1x Queen Wilhelmina (1942)(PC 461-class patrol craft)
1x Friso (1943)(Flower-class corvette)
1x Johan Maurits van Nassau (1943)(River-class frigate)

Coastal Defense Ships (also known as pre-dreadnaught BBs)(5 ships total)

2x Holland-class (1900)
1x Hertog Hendrik (1904)
1x Jacob van Heemskerck (1908)
1x Soerabaia-class (1910)

Merchant Aircraft Carriers(2 ships total)

2x Gadila - class (1944)

Auxiliaries(8 ships total)

1x Serdang (1897) [torpedo repair ship]
1x Zuiderkruis (1938) [depot ship]
1x Castor (1939) [repair ship]
1x Janssens (1939) (depot ship)
1x Poolster (1939) [seaplane tender]
1x Tankboot No.1 (1941) [oiler]
1x Barentsz (1941) [repair ship]
1x Op ten Noort (1942) [hospital ship]

Edited by Tarskin, 18 September 2012 - 12:10 PM.


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View PostTarskin, on 05 September 2012 - 02:18 PM, said:

@JeeWeeJ

I completely disagree with the RNN being too small (i'm including a list of ships in use at the outbreak of WW2 below here, NOT including the Colonial Navy) and disagree even more with being part of the german tree for obvious reasons o.O

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I am fully aware of what the Dutch navy had, but as WoWs will only include DD,CL,CA,BB/BC and CV classes, you can ignore roughly 80% of your list. Of that, the 1913 dreadnoughts would be roughly equal to a tier 2 or 3 ships of other nations as they have a severe lack of armor, the 1047 class BC would be equal to a roughly tier 7 Scharnhorst class and the cruisers would reach tier 6...AT BEST!

So that leaves us with a severe lack of usable shipclasses and of the classes we do have, most of them are severely underpowered (as we Dutch tend to spend money on EVERYTHING except on our navy). I don't know if you follow the NA forums, but there the devs have stated that for a nation to be included, it must have enough ships to fill at least the BB, CL/CA and CV trees.

And as much as i love our RNN, it just cannot do that.

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Honestly, I think it would be best to include dutch ships in other lines (preferably not in the germans, but still the most logical line). Reason is, the dutch don't really have enough combat ships to create a full line. It's not like we had a big ass battleship like bismarck, missouri or yamato, or the fugo class for that matter.

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View PostJeeWeeJ, on 05 September 2012 - 02:33 PM, said:

... but there the devs have stated that for a nation to be included, it must have enough ships to fill at least the BB, CL/CA and CV trees.

That would imply that there would be no soviet OR german line as they don't have enough classes to get 5+ BB types, CV types and so on (example: Koning class (arguable) -> Bayern class -> Scharnhorst class -> Bismarck class, that's only 4). The only nations in this game would then be the IJN, USN and RN (which i would accept BUT if the devs add a russian navy then they should also consider the dutch navy is my main point).

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View PostTarskin, on 05 September 2012 - 02:56 PM, said:



That would imply that there would be no soviet OR german line as they don't have enough classes to get 5+ BB types, CV types and so on (example: Koning class (arguable) -> Bayern class -> Scharnhorst class -> Bismarck class, that's only 4). The only nations in this game would then be the IJN, USN and RN (which i would accept BUT if the devs add a russian navy then they should also consider the dutch navy is my main point).
You're forgetting that the Germans and Russians had sizable WW1 fleets AND had quite some ships planned (AKA paper ships) prior to WW2 (the German Plan Z for example).
Tiers 2 to 5 or 6 can be filled with WW1 dreadnoughts, of which the Germans had plenty (see my post here on the German WW1 fleet.)

Dreadnoughts
Nassau class: 4 built
Helgoland class: 4 built
Kaiser class: 5 built
Köning class: 4 built
Bayern class: 4 planned, 2 built

Battlecruisers
Von der Tann class: 1 built
Moltke class: 2 built
Seydlitz class: 1 built
Derfflinger class: 3 built

That's 9 classes to choose from, and please don't underestimate the power of a dreadnought. HMS Warspite, HMS Revenge and USS Texas proved the power of those beasts in WW2. Then you have the Scharnhorst class BC, Bismarck class and the H classes. And you could fit in a O class BC somewhere in between. Only difficulty with the German tree are the CV's. The Soviet BB and CA/CL lines can also be filled like this, with once again the CV tree being the point of difficulty.

Anyway, back on topic: unless someone at the MoD has some Dutch CA, BB and CV designs in a drawer somewhere, we won't get our own shiptree very soon. Our only hope would be to have some ships included with another nation (with the Kriegsmarine and the Royal Navy being the only realistic options) or a getting a multinational line.

And if you want to blame someone, blame the pacifist movement in the 30's. ;)


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View PostJeeWeeJ, on 05 September 2012 - 03:31 PM, said:

And if you want to blame someone, blame the pacifist movement in the 30's. ;)

Them damn hippies

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I stand corrected, I thought that the Koning was the first dreadnaughts that were build by the germans. I would have hoped that WG would have chosen a different approach however as BB's at tier 2 doesn't make sense to me, it would make more sense to go from a tier 1 (dd) to a CL->BC line or to a CA->BB line or a CVE->CV line (so 3 lines and not a line for each class).

My prelimenary attempt didn't get that far (just for shits and giggles) but I figured i'd share it anyhow.. I mean i could have included more of the WW1'ish ships as CA's but it doesn't really make sense to have them go that high (in tier)... submarines would be so easy to fill in there if they ever go down that path haha :p

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That might work, but I doubt WG would actually do it like that.
But it would be so awesome if they did!

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Nice work indeed! And yeah, putting old armored cruisers against heavy cruisers of other nations wouldnt really make sense.
And to be fair, i'm kind of glad they're doing seperate lines for eacht type of ship, as there were a lot of really nice ships out there! I'd love to sail around in HMS Dreadnought or SMS Bayern. (Yamato and Iowa are highly overrated IMHO)

But still, WG hasn't said that they'll never include ships from smaller nations, so there is still hope. :)


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